General Government and Licensing Committee – May 21, 2019 – Part 2 of 2

General Government and Licensing Committee – May 21, 2019 – Part 2 of 2


TESTING FOR CAPTIONING.
TESTING FOR CAPTIONING .
>>GOOD AFTERNOON, COULD I HAVE THE MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL GOLF
GOVERNMENT AND LICENSING COMMITTEE TO COMMITTEE ROOM
NUMBER ONE SO WE CAN FINISH OUR MEETING? .
>>WOULD MEMBERS OF GENERAL GOVERNMENT AND LICENSEING
COMMITTEE PLEASE REPORT TO COMMITTEE ROOM ONE FOR QUORUM.
THANK YOU>>OKAY.
I’M GOING TO CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER.
COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY DID YOU HAVE A QUICK RELEASE?
>>I DID, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I’LL STRUGGLE FOR A MOMENT TO
FIND THE ITEM NUMBER UNLESS SOMEBODY SNOW KNOWS IT OFF THE
TOP OF THEIR HEART.>>YES.
>> GRCH LRCH 5.14.
THE INTERIM STATUS REPORT ON FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY.
I THANK STAFF FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS ON THE BREAK.
IF I CHAIR WOULD PERMIT ME TO MAKE A BRIEF STATEMENT.
AS A CURRENT AND FORMER MEMBER OF PREVIOUS AUDIT COMMITTEE
THIS SAY REALLY IMPORTANT REPORT TO ME.
AND I THINK ALL MEMBERS OF COUNCIL SHOULD TAKE NOTICE OF
THIS AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL SHOULD OFFER THEIR FULL SUPPORT
TO STAFF WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
I BELIEVE IT’S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT FOR ALL AREAS
DIVISION DIVISIONS AND OFFICES WITHIN THE CITY TO BE FORTH
COMING WITH THE INFORMATION NEEDED TO
PREPARE THE REPORTS COMEING TO COUNCIL AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
IN QUEUE 32019 BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT THE AUDIT COMMITTEE
WILL BE LOOKING FORWARD THAT REPORT.
I WOULD TAKE A MOMENT TO PUT IN A FLAG — A PLUG FOR ALL
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY TAKE THE MESSAGE OF
AUDIT TO THOSE ORGANIZATIONS TO HAVE A LOOK INTERNALLY TO SEE
IF SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT CAME UP ON FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY ARE
AFFECTING THOSE ORGANIZATIONS AND TAKING THE STEPS TO DEAL
WITH IT WITHOUT DELAY. THANK YOU AND I’M HAPPY TO RECEIVE THE REPORT AS
RECOMMENDED.>>THANK YOU.
>>THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY HOLYDAY.
ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE?
ALL IN FAVOR? CARRIED.
AND THEN I HAVE TWO RELEASES FOR MYSELF AS WELL.
ITEM NUMBER 22 THE CIVIC INNOVATION OFFICE UPDATE.
I’M MOVING A MOTION THAT CITY COUNCIL RECEIVE THIS REPORT FOR
INFORMATION. ALL IN FAVOR?
CARRIED. AND THE SAME WITH ITEM 23, I
THINK IT’S VERY IMPORTANT THAT COUNCIL UNDERSTAND WE’RE THE
LARGEST SHAREHOLDER AND PARTICIPANT AND THE MAKEUP OF
THE AGENCIES AND BOARDS THAT OM OMERS HAS AN OVERVIEW OF.
I’M MOVEING THAT CITY COUNCIL RECEIVE THIS REPORT FOR
INFORMATION. ALL IN FAVOR?
CARRIED. WE’RE BACK TO ITEM NUMBER TWO.
WE’RE OK DEPP TIEW PANT NUMBER FOUR MS. JACQUELINE ERCH BOH
FROM DEFEND DIGGITY. GOOD AFTERNOON.
THREE MINUTES WHEN YOU ARE READ READY.
>>THANK YOU TODAY. I DON’T WANT TO START THIS BY
GENERALIZEING AND SAYING THAT EVERYONE IN BODY RUB PARLORS
ARE VICTIMS OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING BUT LIFT THE CAP
FLOWS BLOWS OPEN TO THE ISSUE ALREADY CATEGORIZED AS AN
EPIDEMIC. LIFTING THE CAP ONLY INCREASES
TRAFFICKING AND FULLY LEGITIMATE LEGITIMIZE
LEGITIMIZED, WHERE THISES THAT HAPPEN THE NUMBERS HAVE RISEN.
MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO KEEP THE CAP ON BODY RUB PARLORS AT
25. WE RECOMMEND THAT FINES FOR
BODY RUB PARLORS AND HOLISTIC ATTEND ATTENDANTS BE REMOVED
AND THEY FORCE IT ON OWNER AND MANAGERS.
AS OFTEN AS THEY ARE INVOLVED IN HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
BODY RUB PARLORS MUST BE TRAINED ON THE SIGNS OF HUMAN
TRAFFICKING PRIOR TO LICENSEING AND OWNER AND OPERATORS MUST BE
HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS .
OUR NEXT RECOMMENDATION IS THE CITY PROVIDE DEFERRAL
ALTERNATIVES FOR WOMEN APPLYING AT THE TIME OF APPLICATION.
THE DIVERSION OF LICENSING FEES COULD PROVIDE EMPLOYMENT
SUPPOR SUPPORTS, EDUCATION GRANTS AND SERVICES.
THE CITY SHOULD PROVIDE A HUMAN RIGHTS BASED APPROACH THAT
INCLUDES ACCESS TO MEDICAL CARE REGARDLESS OF STATUS AS A
CANADIAN CITIZEN. WHEN THE WOMEN COME THEY MUST
MEET PRIVATELY WITH THE CITY AND THEY CAN BE OFFERED
EMPLOYMENT TRAINING AND EXIT PROGRAMS.
THE CITY MUST PROVIDE TRANSLATE TRANSLATORS FOR ATTENDANTS WHEN
APPLYING FOR THESE LICENSES. ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION WE HAVE
IS THAT WE RECOMMEND THE MUNICIPAL LICENSEING AND
STANDARD STANDARDS REMOVE THE ACCREDITATION FOR THE TEN
PROFESSIONAL HOLISTIC ASSOCIATIONS IDENTIFIED IN THE
REPORT ON OOCT OF 2017 AS OPERATING ON PAPER ONLY.
THESE ASSOCIATIONS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO SELF REGULATE.
THE CITY OF TORONTO SHOULD PROVIDE THE OVERSIGHT NEEDED.
WE RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY EMPLOYEES AND BALLISTIC MISSILE
OFFICERS BE TRAINED ON THE SIGNS OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
AVAILABLE SOCIAL SERVICES IN TORONTO AND BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS
AS THEY ENCOUNTCOUNTER THOSE SEEKING APPLICATIONS FOR
LICENSEING. THEY SHOULD BE TRAUMA INFORMED
AND A FULL PACKAGE OF ALL INFORMATION DISPENSED TO ALL
APPLICANTS. THESE PACKAGES SHOULD BE
TRANSLATED TO MAN DRIN, CANTON CANTONEES AND FRENCH.
IF HUMAN TRAFFICS IS SUSPECTED CITY EMPLOYEES MUST KNOW THE
ACTION TO TAKE STEPS FORWARD. PARTICLEORS AND HOLISTIC CENTRE
OWNERS MUST BE TRAINED PRIOR TO LICENSEINGS.
WE RECOMMEND THAT THE HUMAN TRAFFICKING HOTLINE NUMBER BE
ADDED TO THE LICENSE FOR EACH BODY NUMBER SO SHE CAN ACCESS
THAT NUMBER AS NEEDED FOR REPOR REPORTING OR ASKING
QUESTIONS AT ANY TIME. THANK YOU.
>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS?
SEEING NONE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMEING IN THIS AFTERNOON.
NEXT I HAVE ERIC TSUI .
GOOD AFTERNOON MR. TSUI. HE HAVE THREE MINUTES WHEN YOU
ARE READY.>>I’M A BODY RUB PARLOR OWNER.
I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE
REPORT. PARTICULARLY THE PROPOSED
AMENDMENTS GOVERNING BODY RUB PARLORS.
SPECIFICALLY WE ARE — I AM IN FAVOR OF MOST OF THE
RECOMMENDATIONS RECOMMENDED PARTICULARLY THE CHANGE IN THE
HOURS AS WELL AS THE SECURITY CAMERAS, WHICH I THINK ARE
VITAL TO SECURITY OF THE ESTABLISHMENT ESTABLISHMENT.
ALSO, IF FAVOR OF THE ELIMINATION OF THE HEALTH CHECK
REQUIREMENT FOR ATTENDANTS. I THINK THAT IS REQUIRE
REQUIREMENT WAS IMPRACTICAL, A LITTLE DISCRIMINATORY AND I
THINK AN IN INVASION OF PRIVACY AS WELL AS THE ELIMINATION OF
THE REQUIRE REQUIREMENT THAT AN ATTENDANT BE WORKING AT
SPECIFICALLY ONE LOCATION. THEY SHOULD BE FREE TO WORK AT
ANY ESTABLISHMENT THAT THEY WANT AND NOT PIGEON HOLED TO
ONE SPOT SPOT. THERE ARE TWO BALLISTIC MISSILE
PROVISIONS I DO THINK NEED TO BE ADDRESSED THAT WASN’T
SPECIFICALLY RECOMMENDED IN THE REPORT.
PARTICULARLY ONE ON ADVERTISEING .
CURRENTLY WE ARE PROHIBITED FROM ANY FORM OF ADVERTISEING
WHATSOEVER EXCEPT FOR LIKE A SMALL SIGNAGE ON TOP OF
ESTABLISHMENT. ALL WE WANT IS TO JUST TO HAVE
A WEB SITE AND BE ABLE TO ADVERTISE ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
WE’RE NOT LOOKING FOR ANY OUTRAGEOUS SIGN SIGNAGE.
JUST A WEB SITE. THIS WAS WRITTEN BEFORE THE
INTERNET. AS WE KNOW THE INTERNET —
HAVING A WEB SITE IS VITAL TO ANY BUSINESS.
TWO REMOVING THE REQUIREMENTS ON DRESS.
IF WE ARE GOING TO RECOGNIZE THAT BODY RUB PARLORS ARE ADULT
ENTERTAINMENT, THEN THERE SHOULD NOT BE A DRESS
REQUIREMENT AS IT’S NOT CONGRUENT WITH THAT DESIGNATION.
IN TERMS OF THE HOLISTIC LICENSE LICENSING, I UNDERSTAND
IT’S A COMPLICATED ISSUE. I’M NOT A POE OWESD PO THE LIF
LIFTING OF THE CAB ON BODY RUB LICENSES IF THE CITY WERE TO
MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ELIMINATION OF THE HOLE LISK
LICENSES EVEN THOUGH IT WOULD DEVALUE THE LICENSE AS A FAIR
APPROACH. YOU HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY BALANCE
ALL CONSIDERATIONS. PHILOSOPHICALLY I DO FEEL THAT
IF A HOLISTIC IS OFFERING A BODY RUB SERVICE, THEN THERE
SHOULD BE — THEY SHOULD HAVE A BODY RUB LICENSE.
AND THAT’S ALL, THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU, SIR.
QUESTIONS OF THE DEPUTY? COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS.
>>YOU ARE AN OPERATOR OF A HOLISTIC CENTRE?
>>NO, THE OWNER OF A BODY RUB PARLOR.
>>WHERE ARE YOU LOCATED?>>THE EXACT ADDRESS?
>>I DON’T THINK HE HAS TO PROVIDE THAT.
>>AREA.>>RIGHT AROUND YORK UNIVERSITY.
>>OKAY. ARE YOU PROPOSING THAT WE LIFT HOLISTIC — HOLISTIC — BODY —
HOLISTIC PARLORS. THERE’S 400 RIGHT NOW.
SHOULD WE LIFT THE CAP OF THE BODY RUB PARLORS FROM 25?
>>LIKE I SAID I UNDERSTAND IT’S A COMPLICATED ISSUE.
IF THE WERE TO — CITY WERE TO GO FORWARD WITH THE ELIMINATION
OF HOLISTIC LICENSES, THEN I WOULDN’T BE OPPOSED TO LIFTING
OF THE CAP WITH WITHIN CONDITION AS LONG AS THE
CURRENT ZONING RESTRICTION RESTRICTIONS ARE STILL KEPT IN
PLACE.>>THANK YOU.
>>OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE DEPUTANT?
SEEING NONE, THANK YOU VERY MUC MUCH.
THE NEXT SPEAKER IS MR. JOHN CRRCH ASSELLS, SERVING IN
MISSION CANADA FIELD. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES,
WHENEVER YOU ARE READY?>>GREAT TO BE HERE AND MY
PLEASURE TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS YOU.
I BEGAN WORKING WITH HARG MARGI MARGINALIZED TROUBLED
YOUTH IN 1984. I’VE BEEN A HUMAN TRAFFICKING
SPECIALIST FOR THE LAST 12 YEARS YEARS.
AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT GOES ON IN THE
BODY RUB PARLORS, WHAT THEY ARE DESIGNED TO PROVIDE IN TERMS OF
SERVICES. STIMULATEING A PERSON’S BODY
FOR THE PURPOSES OF OF APPEAL ING TO EROTIC OR SEXUAL
APPETITES OR INCLINEATIONS, THAT’S HOW TORONTO DEFINES THE
25 BODY RUB PARLORS. THEY WERE DESIGNED TO BE HOUSES
OF PROSTITUTION. THE DEFINITION IS A REASONABLE
DEFINITION OF SEXUAL SERVICES. IT’S THE REASON MEN IN VISIT
THE ESTABLISHMENTS BUT THE PURCHASE OF SEXUAL SERVICES IN
CANADA BECAME A CRIMINAL OFFENSE IN 20 2014.
THE LICENSE RENEWABLES FOR THE BODY RUB PARLORS.
YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY OF TORONTO IS PARTY TO
CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IN MY ROLE AS
A HUMAN TRAFFICKING SPECIALIST, I DO INTERVIEW PEOPLE WHO HAVE
COME OUT EXPLOITATION IN ALL ASPECTS OF THE SEX INDUSTRY
INCLUDING THE MASSAGE INDUSTRY. CAN I TELL YOU FOR SURE THAT
NOT ALL OF IT THAT HAPPENS WITHIN THE MASSAGE INDUSTRY IN
HOLE LISK CENTRES AND BODY RUBS IS NECESSARILY HUMAN TRACKING.
BUT WE’VE SEEN A TREND IN THE LAST 25 YEARS OR SO WHERE WE’VE
SEEN A LOT MORE DRUG USE, WE’VE SEEN A LOT MORE PIMP ACTIVITY,
HUMAN TRAFFIC. WE’VE SEEN MENTAL HEALTH ON THE
RISE. WE’VE SEEN DEATH BY SUICIDES
AND OVER DOSES SO THINGS ARE TREN TRENDING IN A VERY
NEGATIVE DIRECTION. THESE ARE THE SURVIVORS.
THEY KNOW THE INDUSTRY. AND HOW IT DESTROYS WOMEN.
THEY’VE SEEN IT. THEY’VE EXPERIENCED IT AND
THEY’VE LOST FRIENDS. MUNICIPAL LICENSING AND
STANDAR STANDARDS PROPOSES THE REMOVAL OF LICENSEING
RESTRICTIONS TO FACILITATE GREATER NUMBERS OF BODY RUB
PARLORS IN TORONTO. IT CLAIMS AS WELL TO WANT TO E
ENSURE THE WELLNESS OF PERSONS. I WONDER WHICH PERSONS THEY ARE
REFERRING TO BECAUSE IT CAN’T POSSIBLY BE THE WOMEN.
THEY ARE CORRECT, HOWEVER, THAT A LO LARGE NUMBER OF TORONTO’S
LICENSED HOLISTIC CENTRES ALSO OPERATE AS BROTHELS.
SOME OF THEM PROVIDE LEGITIMATE SERVICES BUT WE HAVE A HUGE
PROBLEM. I SPOKE WITH A PARENT WHOSE
SCHOOL AGED DAUGHTER WAS TRAFFIC TRAFFICKED BY A PIMP.
ONE PARTICULAR EVENING IT WAS DISCOVEREDD SHE WAS IN A CENTER
CENTRE IN E ETOBICOKE ON QUEEN SWAY
QUEENSWAY. THE 17-YEAR-OLD WAS ADVERTISED
ON A PROSTITUTION SITE IN THE INTERNET.
MY FRIEND WENT TO THE POLICE STATION WITH THE PASSPORT WITH
EVIDENCE SHE WAS EXPLOITED AND THE ANSWER WAS WE DON’T HAVE
THE RESOURCES. SO THESE — WE HAVE A LOT OF
PROBLEMS. THE CITY LICENSEING OF THESE
ESTABLISHMENTS HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THOSE PROBLEMS.
WE DON’T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO PROTECT THE VULNERABLE PEOPLE.
>>ALL RIGHT, SIR. I NEED TO YOU WRAP UP.
>>THANK YOU I WOULD LIKE TO IN CLOSING SAY WE NEED TO STOP
ISSUES BODY RUB LICENSES AND WE NEED TO EFFECTIVELY DEAL WITH
SHUTDOWN THE OFFENDERS IN THE HOLISTIC CENTRES NOT ABIDING BY
THE APPROPRIATE LAWS. LET’S PUT THE WOMEN FIRST.
>>THANK YOU, SIR? ANY QUESTIONS?
COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS?>>WHEN YOU SHUT THEM DOWN, YOU
ARE AN EXPERT IN TRAFFICKING, WHAT WILL HAPPEN?
WHEREWILL THEY GO UNDERGROUND?>>IN FACT, WHAT YOU’RE DOING
AS A CITY WHEN YOU LICENSE PLACES DESIGNED TO PROVIDE
PROSTITUTION SERVICES, YOU ARE NORMALIZEING IT IT.
WHEN DO YOU THAT , WHEN ITS
TOLERATED YOU SEE A GREATER INSTANCE OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
STUDIES FROM AROUND THE GLOBE HAVE PROVEN THIS.
THIS WAS THE IMRAIS FOR THE OUTLAWING — BASIS FOR THE
OUTLAWING OF SEX PURCHASE IN CANADA AND THE DIFFICULTY THAT
WE SEE WHERE HUMAN TRAFFICKING SON THE RISE IS SQUARE SQUARELY
ON THE INABILITY OF COMMUNITIES TO DIS DISCOURAGE THIS KIND OF
ACTIVITY ACTIVITY. IT DOESN’T SIGNIFICANTLY PUSH
IT UNDERGROUND. THE PEOPLE THAT GO THERE TO
ACCESS THE SERVICES CAN EASILY FIND IT.
OUR BY-LAW OFFICERS AND POLICE OFFICERS AS WELL CAN EASILY
FIND IT.>>THANK YOU.
>>OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, THANK YOU VERY
MUC MUCH, SIR. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS LAKSAMEE
WINDHAGER. GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY APOLOGYIES IF I MISS MISPRO HOUSE IN PRONOUNCED YOUR NAME.
>>THANK YOU.>>YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
>>GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCILLORS. I’M A HOLISTIC PRACTITIONER AT
THA AT — A THAI MASSAGE INSTRUCTOR AND OWNER OF
HOLISTIC CENTRE, A MOTHER OF TWO CHILDREN.
TODAY I CANNOT SAY MUCH ABOUT WHA BODY RUB PARLOR BECAUSE I
HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. I WILL SPEAK ON BEHALF OF
HUNDREDS OF PRACTITIONER WHO HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING RULES AND
REGULATIONS. FOR US WE SPECIALIZE IN
TRADITIONAL THAI MASSAGE WHICH HAS A LONG HISTORY DATING BACK
TO 1,000 YEARS AGO IT’S UN UNACCEPTABLE TO PUT THIS IN THE
PARLOR AS WE DO NOT WORK WITH SEXUAL ACTIVITY.
AND ALSO THE — THIS AFFECT OUR IMAGE AND REPUTATIONS.
HOW CAN I GO HOME AFTER WORK AND LOOK AT MY CHILDREN IN THE
EYES AND SAY MOMMY HAS A BOARDED UP LICENSE.
WHEN WE — WE DO NOT DO THAT GOOD.
MANY OF OUR CUSTOMER HAVE INSURANCE THAT COVER FOR
HOLISTIC PRACTICE. WHO WOULD COVER FOR BOARDED UP
PARLOR? SO I AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW THAT
SAFETY OF AND MOD IMRERNIZE THINGS FOR BODY RUB FOR SAFETY.
BUT FOR HOLISTIC PRACTICEATIONER PRACTICATIONER — PRACTITIONER
WHO HAS BEEN FOLLOWING AND WORK HARD, I BELIEVE THAT SAFETY IS
NOT AT RISK. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>>THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR THE DEPUTANT.
>>COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY?>>THANK YOU FOR SPEAK TO US.
DO YOU HAVE AN OVERARCHING ASSOCIATION THAT YOU REPORT TO
AND HOW DOES IT WORK? ARE YOU A MEMBER AND DO YOU
BELIEVE THAT THEY POLICE OTHERS THAT PROVIDE THE SAME SERVICES
AS YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE FOLLOWING THE RULES AS YOU
ARE?>>FOR TRADITIONAL THAI MAAGE.
WE HAVE AN ASSOCIATION CALLED TRADITIONAL THAI MASSAGE
ASSOCIATION OF ON NARROW. THAT GETS US APART FROM THAI
GOVERNMENT.>>OKAY.
>>SO WE ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR MEMBER WHO ARE UNDER OUR
ASSOCIATION.>>OKAY.
>>AND DO THEY WATCH WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU
ARE HONORING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ASSOCIATION AND PRACTICE
ING AS THEY WOULD EXPECT TO YOU OR
OR — AND DO THEY TAKE ACTION IF SOMEBODY IS MISBEHAVING?
>>ABSOLUTELY. EVERY YEAR WE HAVE TO RENEW THE
MEMBER LICENSE. SO IF THERE’S SOMETHING THAT WE
BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE — THEY DO NOT CONTINUE TO BE A MEMBER
AND THEY CANNOT GET A LICENSE FROM THE CITY OF TORONTO
BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO BE
A MEMBER OF ASSOCIATION BEFORE YOU ARE ABLE TO GET A LICENSE
FROM THE CITY OF TORONTO.>>THEY CANCEL THEM AND CUT
THEM FROM THE ASSOCIATION?>>RIGHT.
>>AND HOW MUCH DO YOU PAY TO BE A MEMBER OF THE ASSOCIATION?
>>FOR THE FIRST YEAR I BELIEVE IT’S PAID $350.
>>OKAY. AND WHAT IS THE PROCESS IN DO
YOU MAIL THEM A CHECK OR DO THEY COME AND VISIT YOU?
DO YOU SIGN AN AGREEMENT? HOW DO YOU BECOME A MEMBER?
>>FOR MYSELF, I HAVE A RELATIONSHIP OF THAI MASSAGE
MEETING OF ONTARIO. I GO FACE TO FACE TO THE
MEETING AND MOST PEOPLE I BELIEVE DO THE SAME.
>>THANK YOU.>>MY PLEASURE.
>>OTHER QUESTIONS?>>COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS?
>>HOW MANY ASSOCIATIONS ARE THERE?
>>HOW MANY ASSOCIATION FOR HOLISTIC CENTRE?
>>TEN, 11, 12? HOW MANY?
>>SORRY? AROUND 29.
>>29.>>ASSOCIATION.
>>ARE YOU A MEMBER OF ALL?>>I’M ONLY THE MEMBER OF
TRADITIONAL THAI MASSAGE ASSOCIATION OF ONTARIO.
>>HOW MANY MEMBERS DO THEY HAVE?
>>I BELIEVE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE — WHO QUALIFY.
>>HOW MANY MEMBERS DO YOUR ASSOCIATION HAVE THROUGH THE
CHAIR?>>HOW MANY MEMBERS THEY HAVE
RIGHT NOW IN.>>I’M NOT THE OWNER OF THE
ASSOCIATION.>>BUT YOU MUST KNOW HOW MANY
MEMBERS THERE ARE IN THE ASSOCIATION?
>>ROUGHLY I BELIEVE .
>>266.>>HOW MANY?
>>266.>>SO 29 YOUR REPRESENT 266.
THERE’S 400 HOLISTIC CENTRES.>>ALL I’M ASKING IS THIS WE
SHOULD NOT BE PAINT IN THE SAME BRUSH.
>>I’M ASKING THE QUESTION THROUGH THE CHAIR.
>>IF YOUR ASSOCIATION HAS 266, THE OTHER 28 THEN REPRESENT THE
OTHER 140? WOULD THAT BE CORRECT?
>>I BELIEVE SO, YES.>>THANK YOU.
>>OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, THANK YOU FOR COME
FOR BEING HERE THIS AFTERNOON.>>THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>>OUR NEXT DEPUTANT IS MS. JULIA DRYDYK FROM THE CANADIAN
CENTRE TO END HUMAN TRAFFICKING. GOOD AFTERNOON.
THREE MINUTES WHEN YOU ARE READ READY.
>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I’D LIKE TO THANK MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE FOR PROVIDEING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY
TODAY. I’M JULIA DRYDYK.
WE’VE MAJOR CONCERNS ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN
PRESENTED TO COMMITTEE TODAY .
I’D LIKE TO PROVIDE DETAILED EXAMPLES ABOUT THE RISKS THEY
POSE TO PEOPLE VULNERABLE TO HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
I WANT TO REINFORCE THIS IS A MATTER OF PROTECTING THE HUMAN
AND LABOR RIGHTS OF BODY RUB ATTENDANTS AND PEOPLE LIVING IN
THE CITY. SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS
MEANT TO INCREASE SAFETY FOR ONE GROUP HAVE DIRE
CONSEQUENCES FOR OTHER AND MAKING LICENSES MORE ACCESSIBLE
WITHOUT ENSURING THEY ARE NOT FUNNELED INTO ABUSE COULD FUEL
HUMAN TRAFFICKING IN THE CITY. SURVIVORS THAT ATTENDED CONSULT
CONSULTATION WERE CLEAR THAT REQUIRING ALERT SYSTEMS ARE
UNLIKELY TO BE HELPFUL ESPECIALLY IF THE MANNER
RECEIVE RECEIVING IS EXPLOITING OR TRAFFICKING THEM.
PERMITTING CAMERAS IN DESIGNATED AREAS COULD BE USED
TO THE ADVANTAGE OF TRAFFICKERS. THEY OFTEN USE VIDEO FOOTAGE OF
VICTIMS TO FORCE THEM IN COERCED SEX OR LABOR.
NOT ONLY COULD THEY RELEASE VIDEOS TO FRIEND FRIENDS AND
FAMILY BUT EXPERIENCE HAS SHOWN THAT TRAFFICKER AND BODY RUB
OWNERS WILL USE CAMERAS TO LIVE STREAM
SEXUAL ACTS WITHOUT THE VICTIM’S
VICTIM’S CONSENT. THE REPORT RECOMMENDS THEY POST
INFORMATION ON SERVICE AND SUPPORTS FOR INDIVIDUALS SEEKING
HEX HOWEVER, SURVIVORS CLEARLY INDICATED THAT THIS IS UNLIKELY
TO WORK AND INFORMATION ONLY LIKELY BE POSTED WHEN THERE’S A
SUSPICION OF AN INVESTIGATION BY OFFICERS.
THERE ARE ALSO A COUPLE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE
DISPROPORTIONATE BENEFITS TO OWNER AND MANAGERS.
INCREASING THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS EXPLICITLY THOSE
OWNERS WHO PROFIT THE MOST FROM THE OPERATIONS AND SIMILARLY
IT’S UNCLEAR WHO WOULD BENEFIT FROM THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO
REQUIRE FOR WRITTEN CONTRACT OF SERVICES CONSIDERING THAT MANY
OF THE BODY RUB PARLORS HAVE A HISTORY FOR HIRING MINORS,
RELAX RELAXING REPORTING REQUIREMENT OF CONTRACT SERVICES
SEEMS COUNTER INTUITIVE TO REDUCEING EXPLOITATION AND
HUMAN TRAFFICKING. AS A WHOLE WE THINK THIS ENTIRE
ENTIRE REPORT SHOULD BE REJECTED .
WE WANT TO FLAG A COUPLE ITEMS HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION,
REMOVING — ENSURING THAT
MANAG MANAGER AND OWNERS ARE LIE SEANSD SCREENED FOR PRIOR
VIOLATIONS ESPECIALLY HUMAN TRAFFICKING RELATED OFFENSES IS
A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. PROVIDING INFORMATION ON HUMAN
RIGHTS, LABOR AND EMPLOYMENT RIGHTS, HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND
AVAILABLE SUPPORTS IS ALSO A GOOD STEP FORWARD.
WE’RE STRONGLY IN SUPPORT OF PROVIDING THIS INFORMATION IN
THE FIRST LANGUAGE OF THE BODY RUBBER OR HOLISTIC PRACTITIONER.
I WANT TO REINFORCE THAT GOOD PUBLIC POLICY IS BASES ON BASES
ON BASES ON SUFFICIENT DATA, TO UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM IN FRONT
OF YOU. IT REQUIRES FINDING EFFECTIVELY
INTERVENTIONS THAT FIX THAT PROBLEM WITHOUT MAKING SURE IN
THE PROCESS OF YOU ARE CREATING A BUNCH OF NEGATIVE UNINTENDED
CONSEQUENCES FOR OTHER STAKE HOLDERS.
IT’S OUR OPINION THAT THIS REPORT DOES NONE OF THOSE THINGS
THINGS. I URGE COMMITTEE TO DEFER THE
APPROVAL OF REPORT IN RECOMMENDATIONS AND DIRECT MLS
TO ESTABLISH A TASK FORCE COMPRISED OF EXPERTS IN THE
FIELD INCLUDING SURVIVORS OF HUMAN TRAFFICS, SEX WORKERS,
HOLISTIC WORKERS AND BODY RUB WORKERS AS WELL AS ADVOCATES TO
TAKE A THOUGHTFUL STRATEGY TO REFORM THE PARLOR REGULATION
THAT INN A WAY THAT PLATES PLACES RIGH RIGHTS, WELL BEING
AND SAFETY OF ATTENDANCES AT THE CORE OF ITS WORK.
THANK YOU. I’M HAPPY TO ACCEPT QUESTIONS.
>>THAT’S MY LINE. ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS?
>>I DO. I WANT TO — SO IN THE REPORT
IT OUTLINES EVERYBODY THAT WAS CONSULTED OR THAT WENT TO THE
MEETINGS. SO YOU THINK THAT’S NOT EXTENSE
EXTENSIVE NUSM YOU JUST MENTION MENTIONED ABOUT A TASK FORCE.
>>SO PART OF THE WAY THAT THE CONSULTATIONS TOOK PLACE WERE
INCREDIBLY PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE THEY HAD OPEN MEETINGS WHICH
PRESENT BARRIERS TO SURVIVORS OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING BECAUSE
THEY ARE WORRIED TRAFFICKERS WILL BE THERE.
THERE’S IMMEDIATE DANGERS FOR THEM SHOWING UP AND BEING ABLE
TO SPEAK. I HAVE TO SAY THAT OUR
ORGANIZATION DESPITE BEING MANDATED TO ENGAGE IN THE CITY
IN ESTABLISHING THIS HAD MANY ROADMAPS ROA ROADBLOCKS IN
REGARDS TO SETTING UP A MEETING THAT HAD MANY DELA DELAYS AND
WE FELT AS THOUGH WE HAD TO PUSH THE DOORS OPEN.
AT THE SAME TIME THE CONSULT CONSULTATION REPORT AND SOME OF
THE FINDINGS WERE NOT IN INCLUSIVE OF EVERYTHING WE
HEARD IN THE MEETING.>>WHAT KIND OF ROADBLOCKS DID
YOU HAVE WITH MLS. IT WAS CHALLENGEING TO STEB A
MEETING. WE COULDN’T GET A MEETING UNTIL
THE REPORT WAS DRAFTED. YOU FIND THAT’S REFLECTED IN
THE STRUCTURE OF THE REPORT BECAUSE FINDINGS FROM SURVIVORS
OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING BUT FOLKS THAT IDENTIFY AS SEX WORKERS
ARE REALLY AT THE END. THEY ARE AN ATTACHMENT TO THE
MAIN REPORT. WE DO FEEL THAT THE MAJORITY OF
FINDINGS ARE MORE RESPONSIVE TO THE NEEDS AND INTEREST OF BODY
RUB PARLORS OWNER AND MANAGERS.>>THEN FOR FOAM IDENTIFY AS
VICTIMS OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING. YOU REMEMBER THAT THEY WOULD
HAVE LIKE INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS IN PRIVATE WITH THE MLS STAFF.
>>AND WITH CONTACTS AND RELATIONSHIPS OF PEOPLE OF
TRUST SO MAKING SURE WE’RE NOT PUTTING THEM IN SITUATIONS
WHERE IT’S POTENTIALLY RE TRAUMATIZEING
OR CREATING ADDITIONAL SAFETY ISSUE ISSUES.
>>SO HAVING SOMEBODY WITH THEM IN THE MEETING?
>>IF THEY SO CHOOSE.>>UNDERSTAND.
APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN TODAY .
>>NEXT OF OUR LIST OF DEPUTANTS IS BARBARA FROM THE CANADIAN
CENTRE TO END HUMAN TRAFFICKING.>>YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES
WHENEVER YOU ARE READY.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>>MY NAME IS BARBARA GOSSE I’M THE CHAIR OF CANADIAN CENTRE TO
END HUMAN TRAFFICKING. OUR ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN WORK
WORKING ON HAD MATTER AND PRESENTING TO MUNICIPAL LICENSE
LICENSING, STANDARDS, CITY COUNCIL ON THIS ISSUE SINCE 201
2013. WE’VE BEEN EAGERLY WAITING FOR
THIS REPORT. AS YOU KNOW, COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY
DIRECTED MUNICIPAL LICENSEING AND STABBED YARDS TO UNDERTAKE
A REVIEW OF LICENSEING BLIES CONCERNING TRADES AND
BUSINESSES KNOWN TO BE DESTINATIONS FOR HUMAN
TRAFFICKING WITH THE OBJECTIVE OF ESTABLISHING MEASURES AND
POLICIES AIMED AT ADDRESSING THE CONS TRAITIONS OF HUMAN
TRAFFIC. THAT WAS A 013 COUNCIL
RECOMMEND THAT HAS NOT BEEN FULL FID AT LEAST NOT BY THIS
REPORT. THIS REPORT DID NOT EVEN TAKE
INTO CONSIDERATION CONSULTATION S WITH TORONTO POLICE.
THERE’S BEEN NO HUMAN TRAFFICKING LENS PUT ON THIS
REPORT. TORONTO POLICE HAVE IDENTIFIED
THAT SINCE 2013 WHEN THE COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW WAS DONE
BY CITY COUNCIL AND THOSE UNANIMOUS UNANIMOUSLY
RECOMMENDATIONS WERE MADE THAT THEY’VE HAD ALMOST 110 1100
VICTIMS OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING. MANY THEY IDENTIFY AS BEING
TRAFFICKED AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER THROUGH THE BODY RUB
PARLOR SYSTEM IN THE CITY OF TORONTO OR THROUGH HOLISTIC
SPAS SPAS. WE’RE NOT SAYING THAT ALL OF
THOSE PEOPLE WORKING WITHIN THE ESTABLISHMENTS ARE VICTIMS OF
HUMAN TRAFFICKING BUT WE KNOW THAT MANY BODY PARLO — BODY
RUB PARLORS ARE RIFE WITH EXPLOIT EXPLOITATION.
WE TAKE FIRM ISSUE PROPOSED IN THE REPORT.
UNDER THE CURRENT APPROACH THERE’S AN IMMEDIATE SURGE IN
THE NUMBER OF PARLOR AS HOLISTIC CENTRES ARE MOVED
UNDER THE BODY RUB LICENSEING REGIME.
WE DON’T KNOW HOW MUNICIPAL LIE SENGS AND STAND STANDARDS
INTEND DO THIS. THIS THE REPORT DOESN’T
IDENTIFIED MEASURES IN ANYWAY. NECK NOT REGULATE THE OPERATION
OF THE EXISTING LICENSES AND UN UNLICENSED ESTABLISHMENTS TODAY.
THEY ARE STRUGGLEING TO KEEP UP WITH INSPECTION AND LACK OF
ADEQUATE TRAINING TO DETECT HUMAN TRAFFIC AND PROVIDE
TRAUMA INFORMED SUPPORTS TO VICTIMS.
IT’S OUR VIEW THAT THIS REPORT FILE ACHIEVE THE OUTCOMES IT
HAS BEEN DIRECTED TO TAKE. STAFF HAVE NOT USED THE TRAFFIC
LENS Z- NOR DOES IT PROVIDE A FRAMEWORK THAT ENSURES THE
HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELL BEING OF PERSONS WORKING IN THE
ESTABLIS ESTABLISHMENTS OR A FOCUS ON CRIME PREVENTION
MEASURES. THERE NEEDS TO BE AN SCHAWFIST
AWED DWHRAIT SHOULD REVIEW EVERY SINGLE BODY RUB PARLOR
CURRENTLY IN OPERATION. THIS SHOULD INCLUDE CLOSE
COORDINATION WITH STATISTICS .
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY THOSE TRAFFICKED WITHIN ESTABLISHMENT
ESTABLISHMENTS. A COMPLETE AUDIT WILL
DEMONSTRATE THAT A SIGNIFICANT P.M. INVESTIGATION IS NEEDED TO
DETER EXPLOITATION AND TRAFFICKING.
THE CITY CANNOT CONTINUE TO OPERATE BLITHELY ACCEPTING THE
BY-LAW STAFFS ASSERTION THAT THIS OVERSIGHT CONTROLS THIS.
THAT IS ABSURD.>>I NEED TO YOU FINISH UP,
PLEASE.>>I WOULD LIKE TO URGE THIS
COMMITTEE AND THE FULL COUNCIL ULTIMATELY TO REJECT THE
APPROACH TAKE BIN THIS REPORT AND INSTEAD DIRECT THIS OFFICE
TO COMPLETE AN AUDIT AND INCLUDE THAT WITHIN A TASK
FORCE AGENDA STRUCK ON THIS ITEM.
THANK VERY MUCH.>>ANY QUESTIONS?
SEEING NONE. THANK YOU FOR COMING IN THIS
AFTERNOON. APPRECIATE YOUR PERSPECTIVE.
>>THANK YOU.>>NEXT I HAVE SANDRA KA HON
CLU CLU.>>I’M A HUMAN RIGHTS LAWYER
WITH THE HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANIZATION BASED IN CANADA
AND WE WORK DIRECTLY WITH NEW COMER COMMUNITIES AND SEX WORKER
COMMUNITIES FOR PUTTING A PUBLIC HEALTH AND HUMAN RIGHTS
LENS TO THIS REVIEW OF BY-LAWS. PUBLIC HEALTH LENS UPHOLDS A
HEALTH SAFETY AND WELL BEING OF WORKERS BASED ON SCIENTIFIC
EVIDENCE AND RESPECT FOR HUMAN RIGHTS.
IN ORDER TO DO THIS THE CITY MUST PRIORITIZE THOSE AFFECTED
BY THE PROPOSED BALLISTIC MISSILE AMENDMEN — BY-LAW
AMENDMENT. WE’RE HEARING A LOT OF CON CONFL
CONFLATION OF PEOPLE WORKING. IT’S NOT THE CASE.
OUR ORGANIZATION INTERSEEN SEEN SCREENED IN A CASE AND THE
JUDGE FOUND A LOT OF RESEARCH VARIED VERY, VERY FLAWED.
AS YIEWCH HEARD 90% OF WORKERS ARE IMMIGRANT ASIAN WOMEN WHO
HAVE LIMITED ALTERNATIVES TO EMPLOYMENT TO SUPPORT
THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES. OVER THE COURSE OF THE PREVIOUS
CONSULTATIONS THE CITY STAFF HAVE HAD WITH WORKERS THEY
EXPRESSED THAT REMOVING THE HOLISTIC HEALTH LICENSEING
REGIME MEANS THEY CAN NO LONGER WORK OR SUPPORT THEMSELVES
SHUTTING DOWN THESE BUSINESSES AND FORCEING WORKERS OUT OF
THEIR JOB WILL HARM THEY WILL AND INCREASE THINKING THEIR
VULNERABILITY TO ABUSE. WE THINK SHUTTING DOWN THE
BUSINESS AND FORCEING THEM OUT IS FAR MORE DANGEROUS THAN
APPLYING A HUMAN RIGHT AND PUBLIC HEALTH LENS.
UP WITH AD TO TOUCH — I WANTED TO TOUCH ONED ABOUT ON BODY RUB
LICENSING REGIME AND SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE AND HUMAN
RIGHTS. WASN’T TO PUT UP ONE SECTION A
HEALTH EXAM MANDATORY CURRENTLY. OUR ORGANIZATION WORKS IN
PUBLIC HEALTH AND WE KNOW IT’S IM IMPRACTICEAL ABOUT THE MORAL
IZEIZEING THAT HAPPENS AND IN –S YOU
KNOW 60 COMMUNEICABLE DISEASES ARE — HOW CAN THEY PROVIDE A
CERTIFICATE SAYING THE PERSON DOESN’T HAVE THE INFECTIONS.
IT’S FAR TOO BROAD AND MANDATORY TESTING DRIVES PEOPLE
AWAY FROM HEALTH CARE. IT’S MORE EFFECTIVE TO PROVIDE
THEM TO BE TESTED AND GIVE THEM SEXUAL HEALTH INFORMATION AN.
I WANT I WANT CONTINUE TO CORPORATE LANGUAGE IN THE
RECOMMENDATIONS OF MLS REPORT THAT EXPLICITLY ACKNOWLEDGE THE
NEED TO CONSULT WITH HOLISTIC PRACTITIONERS IN THE ONGOING
PROCESS OF THIS REVIEW AND EN ENSURE A LABOR LENS IS APPLIED
TO WORKERS IN THESE INDUSTRIES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
>>QUESTIONS OF DEPUTANT.>>SEEING NONE, THANK YOU FOR
COMING IN. NEXT ON THE LIST IS TAISIA SCOBE
SCOBELEVA FROM AURA FREEDOM.
>>IT’S MY APOLOGIES FOR MIS PRONOUNCE
MISPRONOUNCING MY NAME.>>THANK YOU, EVERYONE.
I’M A HUMAN TRAFFICKING SURVIVOR SURVIVOR, SPEAKER AND
FACILITATE FACILITATOR FOR THE HUMAN TRAFFICKING PEER
PREVENTION PROJECT OR FREEDOM INTERNATIONAL INTERNATIONAL.
I’M HERE TO SPEAK FROM AN ANTI- ANTI-HUMAN TRAFFICKING
PERSPECTIVE. I’VE SEEN WHAT GOES ON BEHIND
THE SCENES. THERE ARE PEOPLE INCLUDING
MINORS, LIKE I WAS, EXPLOITED IN SOME OF THE PARLORS WITHIN
TORONTO TRONT TRONTO. THEY’VE BEEN KNOWN TO BE A
BREEDING GROUND FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
I WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF IMPLEMENTING
CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS OF BODY RUB PARLOR AND CENTRE
OWNE OWNERS. ONE CRIMINAL CHECK BEFORE
LICENSEING IS NOT ENOUGH. AS A SAFETY MEASURE I BELIEVE
CONTINUOUS CHECKS SHOULD BE ISSUED YEARLY TO MINIMIZE THE
RISK OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY GOING ON BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.
THIS IS FROM MY OWN LIVED EXPERIENCE.
MY TRAFFICKER IS CONVICTED AND IN PRISON RIGHT NOW BUT HIS
PARTNER IS RUNNING THE PARLOR I WAS TRAFFICKED OUT OF AND WHEN
RELEASED HE WILL GO BACK TO RUNNING IT AND IT SHOULDN’T BE
ALLOWED. HUMAN TRAFFICKING TRAINING
SHOULD BE MADE MANDATORY AS WELL AS PROVIDING RESOURCES
FOR EMPLOYEES ON WORKERS RIGHTS AND WHERE TO GO IF THEY NEED
ASSIS ASSISTANCE. AS SOMEONE UNDERAGE WORKING IN
A PARLOR LEARN BEING TRAFFICKING MAY HAVE HELPED ME
REALIZE WHAT WAS GOING ON WAS ILLEGAL AND WRONG BECAUSE I
WASN’T AWEAR AND I WOULD HAVE REALIZED I WAS BEING EXPLOITED.
APLOWINGAPPLOW LOYING EMPLOYEES TO WORK AT — ALLOWING
EMPLOYEES TO WORK AT NIEWMOUS PLACES OF THEIR CHOICE WOULD
LIMIT THE CHANCE OF EXPLOITATION .
ADDITIONALLY ISOLATES LOCATIONS OF PARLORS DEIS CREASE SAFETY
AND BY BEING ISOLATED IT MAINS THE CUSTOMER’S DESIRE TO REMAIN
ANONYMOUS. WE CREATE A ANTI-HUMAN
TRAFFICKING TASK FORCE INCLUDING ADVOCACY
ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL AS INDIVIDUALS WITH LIVED
EXPERIENCE AND CURRENT WORKERS.
THANK FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY.
>>THANK YOU I HAVE MUCH. QUESTIONS?
SEEING NONE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH MUCH.
NEXT ON THE LIST IS JENNIFER HU HUANG FROM THE CHINESE WORKERS
NETWORK.>> COUNCIL, JENNIFER WAS NOT
ABLE TO MAKE IT SO SHE ASKED KNOW SPEAK INSTEAD FOR THE
CHINESE WORKERS NETWORK.>>OKAY.
GREAT.>>I JUST WANT TO INTRODUCE
MYSELF I’M A STEERING MEMBER OF THE CHINESE WORKERS NETWORK.
WE’RE PART OF THE TORONTO YORK REGION LABOR COUNCIL AND WE
REPRESENT OVER 200,000 UNIONIZED MEMBERS ACROSS THE GREATER
TORONTO AREA. SO OUR CONCERN REALLY HERE
TODAY IN LINE WITH SPEAKERS WHO HAVE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED IS
THAT THIS IS — WHAT WE’RE FACING IS IS A POTENTIAL LOSS
OF OVER 22 22,000 JOBS. WE RECOGNIZE THERE’S AN ISSUE
OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING BUT THAT DOESN’T MEAN THROWING OUT THE
BABY WITH THE BADGE WATER SO — BATH WATER SO TO SPEAK.
THERE ARE CONCERNS BUT WE NEED TO ENSURE IN THE PROCESS THAT
THE JOBS, VERY IMPORTANT JOBS TO MANY NEWCOMER COMMUNITIES,
MANY IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES, MANY WORKING CLASS COMMUNITIES
THAT THOSE JOBS ARE NOT DESTROYED OR NEGATIVELY
AFFECTED BECAUSE OF OUR CONCERN FOR THE ISSUE OF HUMAN
TRAFFICKING. IT’S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE
KEEP THOSE THINGS SEPARATE SEPARATE.
SO IN RELATION TO THAT, WE’RE SUPPORTING THE MOTION THAT WAS
MOVED EARLIER WHICH IS ASKING FOR LABOR COUNCIL TO ACCEPT THE
CHANGE — ADJUSTED MOTION WITH A FOCUS ON WORKERS RIGHTS AND
LABORERS RIGHTS. AT THE END OF DAY WHAT IS MOST
IMPORTANT IS THAT HOLISTIC PRACTITIONERS, BODY RUBBERS
HAVE RIGHTS AND ARE PRO PROTECT ED
THROUGH THE RIGHTS. THAT’S THE BEST WAY TO EM
EMPOWER WORKERS WITHIN THIS FIELD .
IF THERE’S AN ISSUE OF HUMAN TRAFFIC THAT SHOULD BE DEALT
WITH. WHAT IS AT STAKE IS MANY PEOPLE
WHO ARE THE NOT TRAFFICKED AND IF THE POLICY GOES THE WRONG
WAY WAY. WHAT THAT MEANS IS DEVASTATION
FOR THE COMMUNITIES, FAMILIES AND THESE WORKERS .
ON BEHALF OF CHINESE WORKERS NETWORK, WE’RE CONCERNED ABOUT
THIS. WE HOPE COMMITTEE CAN MOVE THIS
FORWARD AND FOCUSED ON LABOR RIGHTS AND DRIVING FIRST.
>>THANK YOU, SIR? ANY QUESTIONS?
COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS.>>YOU IDENTIFIED YOURSELF AS
–>>STEERING COMMITTEE MEMBER OF
THE CHINESE WORKERS NETWORK OF THE TORONTO AND YORK REGION
LABOR COUNCIL.>>ARE YOU PART OF THE TORONTO
AND YORK REGION LABOR COUNCIL?>>YES, YES, I AM.
>>SO I — IS THE —
>>WILL MR. CARTWRIGHT, WOULD BE BE SUPPORTIVE?
>>I BELIEVE HE WOULD.>>YOU BELIEVE OR YOU KNOW?
>>I KNOW YOU WOUL HE WOULD.>>CAN YOU GET THAT IN RIGHT
SOMETHING IN.>>YES.
>>THANK YOU. OTHER YESES QUESTIONS OF
DEPUTANT.>>COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM, WOMEN
COME. MY APOLL AGUYS.
>>THANK YOU — APOLOGIES.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND FOR
THE COMMUNITY. WITH RESPECT TO THE STATEMENTS
AT THE CORE OF CONCERNS IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH WORKER
PROTECTION AND SAFETY.
CORRECT?>>THAT’S CORRECT.
THAT’S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY YOU BELIEVE AND STATED AS SUCH
THE TORONTO YORK LABOR COUNCIL AGREES AGREES WITH THAT IS THAT
WHATEVER POLL I POLICIES COME OUT AT THE HEART OF IT WE
SHOULD BE ADDRESSING WORK PLACE SAFETY.
>>YES, ABSOLUTELY.>>THANK YOU.
>>OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE DEPUTANT, SEEING NONE.
THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU.
NEXT I HAVE ANURADHA DUGAL FROM THE CANADIAN — DUGAL FROM THE
CAN A NADAL — CANADIAN WOMEN’S
FOUND FOUNDATION.>>I HOPE I PRONOUNCED IT OKAY.
I’M JOINED BY MY COLLEAGUE ALSO.>>OKAY.
I’LL GET TO IT.>>THANK YOU FOR THIS
OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAR BEFORE THE COMMITTEE AND PRESENT OUR
THOUGHTS ON YOUR REPORT. WE HOPE OUR COMMENTS WILL HELP
WITH THE DELIBERATIONS. AS YOU MAY ALREADY KNOW THE
CANADIAN WOMEN’S FOUNDATION IS ONE OF THE TEN LARGEST WOMEN’S
FOUNDATIONS IN THE WORLD. WE’RE A COLLABORATOR, CON
CONVENER AND PLAYING THESE ROLES IN THE SECTOR AND FUNDING
GROUPS WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE UNDERSTANDING OF THE NEEDS OF
WOMEN IN CANADA ESPECIALLY WE FOCUSED WHERE THE NEEDS ARE
GREATEST REGIONALLY AND NATIONA NATIONALLY.
WE’RE ENCOURAGED THAT SOME OF OUR COMMENTS MADE IN WRITING
THROUGH THE CONSULTATION PROCESS SEEM TO RESONATE IN THE
COMMITTEE AND WE WOULD LIKE TO ALSO SUPPORT THE SUGGESTED
MODIFICATIONS AS PER THE MAY 17 17th THROWER INCLUDE —
LETTER TO INCLUDE THE HUMAN LIGHTS AND REPUBLICAN RIGHTS
LENS. OUR PRIMARY CONCERNS ARE ABOUT
SAFETY, CENTERING THE EXPERIENCE OF THOSE WITH MOST
EXPERIENCE AND CONCERNED WITH THIS AND THOSE WORKING IN BODY
RUB PARTICLE YOORNZ HOLISTIC — PARLORS AND HOLISTIC
CONSIDERATIONS. WE ALSO WANT TO HIGH HIGHHEIGHT
THAT WHEN THAT — HIGH HIGHLIGHT WHEN WE SAY WOMEN.
>>FIRST OF ALL ON SAFETY WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT
THE SYSTEM PUT INTO PLACE BY THE CITY OF TORONTO ALLOWS
WOMEN TO HAVE A SAY IN HOW THEIR SAFETY IS ESTABLISHED AND
THIS DOESN’T NECESSARILY MEAN INCREASED REGIMES OF
SURVEILLANCE. IN FACT, GREATER LETTERS OF
OVER SIGHT, REPRESSIVEPRESSIVE APPROACHES CAN MAKE WOMEN FEEL
LESS SAFE. THERE’S IMPORTANT SKTIES OF
INCREASED SURVEILLANCE THAT CAN HURT WOMEN AND DECREASE THEIR
TRUST. SUDDEN SEARCHES AND FEARING
THIS CAN LEAD TO ARREST, CONVICTIONS OR FINES LED LEADS
THEM TO FEAR NOT SEEK OUT THEIR HELP.
WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT INCREASED ENFORCEMENT WILL NOT
NECESSARILY LEAD TO INCREASE ADD ABUSES.
WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO THE LEAST INTRUSIVE AND ENCOURAGED BY
REPORT OF THE TOLL SUGGEST IT CONTINUES TO BUILD PARTNERSHIPS
WITH COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS AND AS YOU MENTION ONLY IN THE
BEGINNING PHASES BUT WE STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT THESE CONTINUE.
THESE COMMUNICATIONS AND FRONTLINE RELATIONSHIPS CAN
LEAD TO GREATER LEVELS OF SAFETY FOR WOMEN AND LEAD THEM
TO ASK FOR HELP WHEN THEY NEED IT.
WE’RE COMMITTED TO HEARING FROM THOSE MOST AFFECTED BY THE POLL
SAINS GOVERNMENT DECISIONS. WE REALLY ENCOURAGE THE CITY OF
TORONTO TO LISTEN TO ADVOCACY GROUPS.
THESE ARE CITIZENS OF TORONTO WHOSE LIVELIHOODS AT STEAK
STAKE AND THEY SHOULD HAVE MORE THAN A SAY SAY.
WE RECOMMEND FURTHER RESEARCH DIRECTLY WITH THE WOMEN MOST
DIRECTLY AFFECTED. WHEN IT COMES TO THE RIGHTS OF
WOMEN, WE WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS ON THE IMPORTANCE OF SUPPORTING
WOMEN SO THEY CAN PURSUE EMPLOY EMPLOYMENT FREELY AND SAFELY.
WHEN WOMEN KNOW THE RIGHTS AND CAN EXERCISE THEM THEY TAKE
CONTROL OF THEIR LIVES. WE’RE CONCERNED THAT SHUTTING
DOWN OR CHANGING LICENSES IN A WAY THAT MAKES THE WORK ONUS
ONEROUS OR EXPENSIVE WILL ROB WOMEN OF A CHANCE TO SUPPORT
THEMSELVES. AND THESE ARE OFTEN THE MOST
MARGINALIZED POPULATIONS. WE’RE WORRIED THEIR WORK WOULD
BE SENT UNDERGROUND MAKING THEM VULNERABLE TO EXPLOITATION AND
ABUSES. THANK YOU.
>>QUESTIONS OF THE DEPP PEANT PE — DEPUTANT?
SEEING NONE, THANK YOU FOR COMING IN.
NEXT ON LIST IS MR. GARRY JAMES.>>THANK YOU.
I WOULD NOT WANT YOUR JOB. I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW HOW
THANK THANKFUL THANKFUL I AM THAT YOU SERVE THE COMMUNITY
AND BROADER COMMUNITIES IN THE GTA AND I AM HEARING EVEN MORE
TODAY, EDUCATION THAT IS INFORM ING
ME THAT YOUR DECISION IS INCREDIBLE INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT.
I BECAME AWARE OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING IN SOUTHERN ONTARIO
ABOUT NINE YEARS AGO. I’M A PASTOR IN NEWMARKET.
I HAD NO IDEA HOW DREAM DEEP AND BROAD THIS INFECTION IN OUR
SOCIETY IS IS. FOR THE LAST 8.5 YEARS I HAVE
BEEN WORKING TOWARD AND HAVE SUCCESSFULLY COCHAIRED A
CREATION OF A CHARITY CALLED YOU ARE HOME.
WE’RE FUNCTIONING TO PROVIDE A SAFE HOUSE FOR RESCUED VICTIMS
OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING IN SOUTHERN ONTARIO.
IT’S BEEN A LONG AND HARD PROCESS BUT MY PERSPECTIVE ON
THIS REPORT SIMPLY COMES FROM THE LENS OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
I’M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SENSE THAT THE BODY RUB PARLORS CAB
WOULD — CAP WOULD BE LIFTED. I WOULD STRONGLY SPEAK AGAINST
THAT. I THINK IT’S NOT HELPFUL FROM A
PERSPECTIVE OF PERSONAL OPINION, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE NO BODY
RUB PARLORS IN THE GTA. I UNDERSTAND THAT’S NOT GOING
TO HAPPEN. I ALSO ACKNOWLEDGED THAT EVERY
FACILITY DOES NOT ALWAYS ENGAGE IN HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
I UNDERSTAND THAT PERSPECTIVE AS WELL.
I WOULD REMEMBER THE CAP FOR BRP BRPS REMAIN AT 25.
YOU’VE HEARD FROM SEVERAL OTHER COLLEAGUES WITH WHOM WE SHARE
IN OUR EFFORTS THIS AFTERNOON AND THIS MORNING.
WE SHARE CONCERN FOR TRAFFIC VICTIMS AND THEY EN INFORM THAT
THE SAFETY AND AWARENESS FOR THOSE WORKING IN BODY RUB
PARLORS IS ALMOST IF NOT NON-EXISTENCE
AND THESE THINGS ARE OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE THE .
THE EXPLOITATION OF WOMEN HAS GONE ON TOO LONG AND I SAY WE
PROTECT THEIR RIGHTS. I RECOMMEND THE CITY EMPLOYEE
AND BY-LAW OFFICERS BE THRAIND TRAINED ON SIGNS OF HUMAN
TRAIVEL TRAFFICKING, TRAINED ON AVAILABILITY OF SOCIAL SERVICES
IN TORONTO AND BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS AS THEY EN ENCOUNTER
THOSE. THEY SHOULD BE TRAUMA INFORMED.
THERE SHOULD BE A FULL PACKAGE OF INFORMATION DECIBEL DISPENSED
TO THE — DISPENSED TO THE APPLICANTS.
THEY SHOULD BE TRANSLATED TO THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE.
EMPLOYEES MUST KNOW THE ACTION STEPS TO TAKE THAT THE HUMAN
TRAFFICKING HOTLINE NUMBER BE ADDED TO THE LICENSE FOR EACH
BODY RUBBER TO ACCESS THAT NUMBER TO REPORT OR ASK
QUESTIONS AT ANY TIME AND I REMEMBER THE BRP AND OWNERS
MUST BE TRAINED PRIOR TO RECEIVING LICENSES.
THANK YOU. NCH YOUR CLAIMS IT’S HAPPENING
IN BODY RUB PARLORS IN HOLISTIC CENTRES, WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU
HAVE?>>I ARE REPORTS — HAVE
REPORTS FROM SEVERAL ORGANIZATIONS THAT SPOKE TODAY
AND WORK WITH WOMEN. TWO SURVIVORS HAVE SPOKEN AND
GIVEN PERSONAL TESTIMONY TODAY.>>ARE YOU AWARE THAT IN 2017,
THE CITY OF TORONTO AUDITOR’S GENERAL REPORT IDENTIFIED THAT
THERE WAS —
>>NEXT PERSON TO SPEAK IS TIM LAMBRINOS.
>>WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CHAIR? THAT WAS FOR HIM.
ON SUNDAY THE EMILY VILLAGE BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT AREA IS
LAUNCHING THE OPENING OF BICYCLE PATH.
>>ARE YOU READY, SIR.>>FANTASTIC, THREE MINUTES
LET’S GO.>>THAT’S THE RIGHT WAY.
THAT’S THE RIGHT WAY. CORRECT.
JUST A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT BEFORE I START.
I’LL BE THREE MINUTES. THE EMILY EMERY VILLAGE IS
OPENING A BICYCLE PATH CONNECTING COMMUNITIES WITH THE
COMMUNITY COUNCIL. THAT’S IT.
SUNDAY IF YOU ARE ALL THERE. YOU ARE ALL WELCOME.
>>2.5 MINUTES.>>MY RECOMMENDATIONS I’LL
START WITH RECOMMENDING THE
COMMITTEE DEFER THIS UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE STAKEHOLDERS AND ON
BEHALF OF HEIGHTS BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT AREA RECEIVE
CONSULTATION .
>>AND THREE THAT THE STAFF BE REQUESTED TO LAUNCH ON ONLINE
SURVEY FOR PUBLIC IN INPUT FOR EFFORTS TO ENGAGE THE PULSE OF
PUBLIC ON THIS MATTER. THEY’VE DONE IT BEFORE.
IF YOU WANT TO ADD IN WE CONSULT AS WELL WITH COUNCILLORS
. I WANT TO THANK MR. GRANT AND
MS. COOK FOR TAKING THIS ISSUE ON.
I ALWAYS SAY IN A DILIGENT WAY. WE AGREE ON EVERYTHING AT TIMES
SO WE AGREE TO DISAGREE. THERE ARE THINGS I RECOMMENDED
PRIOR TO AND SUCH AS THE PANIC ALERT BUTTONS.
IT’S ALL PART OF SAFETY. I HEAR FROM COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM
AS WELL AND FROM WORKERS THAT SAFETY IS IMPORTANT BUT CRIME
IS NOT SOMETHING WE’RE GOING TO ACCEPT.
WITH OUR BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT AREA WE JUST GOT DESIGNATION AS
AN EMPLOYMENT ZONE WITH THE PROVINCIAL PARTY WITH PREMIER
DOUG FORD. WE WOULD REMEMBER REQUEST THAT
STAFF CONSULT WITH BIAS ON THIS MATTER RATHER THAN DELETE
REQUIRE THE REQUIREMENTS, DELETE THE HEALTH CHECK, THE
SIGN I THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT, METAL SIGN THAT YOUR STAFF IS
FAMILIAR WITH ON THE FRONT, THAT WAS NOT CONSIDERED IN THIS
AND I THINK IT SHOULD. GEP, I WRAP UP MR. CHAIRMAN
WITH THE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT YOU ARE WELCOME — RAZOR WAS HERE
EARLIER TO INVITE YOU TO THE BICYCLE PATH, YOU KNOW.
MOST WELCOME THIS SUNDAY AND, AGAIN, I’M HAPPENING HAPPEN
HOPING THAT ONE OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS WOULD MOVE OR AMEND ANY
OF THE THREE RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE YOU.
THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS OF DEPP DEPUTANT? SEEING NONE, THANK YOU VERY
MUC MUCH. NEXT ON THE LIST IS MR. AARON Y
YU, ONTARIO HOLISTIC LICENSE PRACTICATION PRACTIC
PRACTITIONERS ASSOCIATION. NCH
>>GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY.>>FLEE MINUTES WHENEVER YOU
ARE — THREEP YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES WHENEVER YOU ARE READY.
>>OKAY. TODAY WE’RE ZPUSSING DISCUSSING
ABOUT HOLISTIC LICENSE BEING REMOVED OR NOT.
I START FROM A REALISTIC POINT OF VIEW.
THERE ARE COMPARED ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES BETWEEN
LICENSED AND UNLICENSED HOLISTIC INDUSTRY.
THE GOVERNMENT ALL RIGHT ITSELF ITSELF — REPORT ITSELF REPORTS
THAT LICENSED HOLISTIC CENTRES HAVE ADVANTAGE OVER UNLICENSED
HOLISTIC CENTER CENTER CENTRES. ON PAGE NINE OF THIS REPORT THE
FIRST PARAGRAPH STATES THAT I QUOTE MANY JURS GIKS
JURISDICTIONS SERVING THIS. THEY ALSO HAVE ENFORCEMENT
CHALLENGESWITH WITH UNLICENSED ESTABLISHMENTS INCLUDING
HOLISTIC CENTERS, BODY RUB SERVICE.
SO IF MOST OF THE UNLICENSED CITY SERVICE LIKE BRAMPTON,
LAND LANDON, MISSISSAUGA AND OTTAWA ALREADY TOLD THE
GOVERNMENT THAT UNLICENSED INDUSTRY, HOLISTIC INDUSTRY
HAVE GREATER PROBLEMS AND CHALLENGES THAN LICENSED
HOLISTIC INDUSTRY, WE ARE WONDER WONDERING WHY TORONTO
CITY COUNCIL STILL PROPOSE TO REMOVE THE LICENSE SYSTEM .
THIS I INSEAR — WE INSEARLY LOOK — SINCERELY ASK YOU TO
LOOK INTO THOSE FINDING AND RESPECT THE RESULTS OF THE.
IF YOU CITY OF TORONTO DO NOT CARE FOR SERVICE AND FACTS,
WITH WE CAN ONLY WONDER IF THERE’S OTHER MOTE VIKS
MOTIVATIONS BEHIND THIS PROPOSAL.
IS THIS BECAUSE THEY ARE CROOKS. MOST OF THEM ARE AGE OVER 40 TO
60. IS IT BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE
USING ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE COMPARED TO OTHER
ADULT ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRIES. OR IS IT BECAUSE THEY ARE MOSTLY
ASIANS? SORRY, PEOPL PLEASE FORGIVE US
TO HAVE THESE QUESTIONS IN OUR HEAD.
AFTER ALL CANADIAN GOVERNMENT VERY RARELY REMOVE THE LICENSE
SYSTEM OF AN ESTABLISHED INDUSTRY.
SECONDLY, CANADA IS A FREE, RESPECTFUL, HUMANITARIAN,
DEMOCRA DEMOCRATIC AND MULTI CULTURAL
COUNTRY. WHEN THEY DECIDE TO REMOVE
LICENSE OF THE INDUSTRY.>>CAN I ASK YOU TO WRAP UP
PLEASE?>>COKE OKAY.
THEY ASSURE PEOPLE THAT AFTER R REMOVING THE LICENSE THE
INDUSTRY WILL BECOME MUCH BETTER THAN LICENSED.
REPORT DID NOT TELL PEOPLE THAT AFTER RE3406 REMOVING THE
LICENSE ALL THE PROBLEMS INCLUDING HUMAN TRAFFICKING,
HEALTH SAFETY AND AUTHORIZED SERVICE ALL THESE PROBLEMS GO
AWAY. IN FACT MANY SURVEYS AFTER RE
REMOVING THIS NAWD.>>THANK YOU, SIR.
ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM?
>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AARON. HOW MANY HOLISTIC LICENSED
SNERLT CENTRES DO YOU REPRESENT AND HOW MANY WORKERS?
>>I DON’T HAVE A HOLISTIC CENTRE.
I BELONG TO THE ONTARIO HOLISTIC LICENSED PRACTICE
PRACTITIONERS ASSOCIATION. I VOLUNTEER BUT I KNOW THIS
INDUSTRY.>>WHO ARE YOU SPEAKING FOR
TODAY?>>ONTARIO —
>>HOW MANY MEMBERS DO YOU HAVE?>>2200 EMPLOYEES.
>>2200 EMPLOYEES. AND THE 2017 AUDITOR GENERAL’S
REPORT IS THE DOCUMENT THAT BROUGHT US TO WHERE WE ARE
TODAY TODAY.>>YES.
>>IN THE AUDITOR GENERAL’S REPORT FROM 2017, HOW MANY
CASES OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING DID THE AUDITOR GENERAL IDENTIFY?
>>WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL. WE SHOULD NOT MAKE BODY RUB
INDUSTRY WITH HOLISTIC CENTRE INDUSTRY.
IN HOLISTIC CENTRE INDUSTRY, AS FAR AS WE KNOW, WE SPOKE TO
MEMBERS AND DO A GENERAL SURVEY, VERY FEW CASES OR NEXT TO NONE
HUMAN TRAFFICKING HAPPENING IN THE HOLISTIC VIOLENC LICENSED
INDUSTRY, BUT IN BODY RUB PARLOR INDUSTRY, YES, DID IT
HAPPEN. BECAUSE IN HOLISTIC INDUSTRY,
OUR AVERAGE AGE OF THE PRACTITIONER IS OVER 408 TO —
40- 40-60. WHO WOULD HUMAN TRAFFIC 40-60
YEAR OLD WOMEN OR MEN? IN THE BODY RUB INDUSTRY, THE
AGE 19-35. THEY ARE YOUNGER AGE.
THEY ARE MORE VULNERABLE TO HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
IN LICENSED HOLISTIC INDUSTRY THEY ARE ALMA TOUR, SEW FIST —
AL ALL MATURE OWE FIST DATED WOMEN.
AND MEN. THE LICENSING DEEPT DEPARTMENT
VERY FEW OR NEXT TO NONE CASES OF PRACTITIONER ARE BEING
TRAFFI TRAFFICKED TO THE LICENSED HOL HOLISTIC INDUSTRY.
>>MY FINAL QUESTION FOR YOU IS: HOW DO YOU RECONCILE THE
OBSERVATIONS THAT YOU HAVE PURR PURPORTED TODAY ABOUT THAT
THERE’S VIRTUALLY NO HUMAN TRAFFICKING IN THE HOLISTIC
CENTRES VERSUS WHAT OTHER SPEA SPEAKERS HAVE SAID AND THEY SAY
IT IS HAPPENING.>>WE ARE BEING OBJECTIVE AND
RELL REALISTIC. WE WELCOME THE GOVERNMENT TO
PROVIDING URT THE ACTUAL FIGURE AND STATISTIC.
WE HAVE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN HOLISTIC INDUSTRY AND BODY RUB
INDUSTRY, AND OTHER INDUSTRIES LIKE ESCORT AND NAWD —
WHATEVER. OUR WORKERS ARE BETWEEN 40 TO
6 60. THEY HAVE LEGAL WORKING STATUS,
OKAY? SO WHO WILL HUMAN TRAFFIC 40 TO
60 YEAR OLD WOMEN.>>I’M SURE THERE ARE, BUT
THANK YOU. I’M NOT GOING TO ARGUE THAT
POINT, BUT THANK YOU.>>OTHER QUESTIONS?
>>I CAN’T REALIZE 40 WAS OLD.>>SORRY?
>>I DIDN’T REALIZE 40 WAS OLD .
>>WOW. ANYBODY OVER 40?
YOU ARE DONE. YOU ARE DONE.
JUST A QUESTION:>>YEAH.
>>MAYBE THE SENIORS HOME.>>WHAT ARE THE EMPLOYEES, WHAT
ARE THE EMPLOYEES –>>SORRY THEY ARE TALKING.
SORRY .
PLEASE REPEAT IT AGAIN BECAUSE THEY ARE NOISY.>>THE EMPLOYEES, WHAT ARE
THEIR APPROXIMATELY THEIR SALARY?
>>THEIR SALARY?>>WHAT DO THEY GET PAID AN
HOUR?>>WELL, THEY ARE SELF EMPLOYED.
THEY GET PAID BY EACH INDIVIDUAL CUSTOMER.
>>RIGHT.>>SO THEY HAVE FLEXIBLE
WORKING HOURS. THEY’VE ABSOLUTE FREEDOM OF
CHOICE TO WORK OR NOT TO WORK. NONE OF THEM ARE BEING FORCED
INTO THE WORKING OR INDUSTRY. NONE OF THEM.
>>SO APPROXIMATELY WHAT WOULD THEY GET PAID.
>>IT DEPENDS ON THE BUSINESS, RIGHT?
BUT AVERAGE, AVERAGE THEY MAKE ABOUT 3,000 TO 5,000 A MONTH,
YEAH.>>AND DO THEY GET PAID CASH?
>>EITHER WAY, THEY GET PAID BY CASH OR GET PAID BY CHECK.
>>DO THEY PAY TAXES?>>THEY DO, THEY DO.>>ALL RIGHTY.
OTHER QUESTIONS? OTHER QUESTIONS?
COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS.>>HOW MANY ASSOCIATIONS ARE
THERE?>>HOW MANY?
>>HOW MANY?>>WELL, WE ARE NEW ASSOCIATION
BECAUSE OF THIS CRISIS. WE FORM THIS ASSOCIATION.
BUT THERE MAY BE ABOUT 20.>>BEFORE THAT I HEARD THE
NUMBER OF 40.>>MY UNDERSTANDINGS ARE ABOUT
20S.>>YOUR ASSOCIATION REPRESENTS
HOLISTIC OR BODY RUB?>>HOLISTIC.
>>HOW MANY HOLISTIC ESTABLISH ESTABLISHMENTS ARE THERE?
>>389 TO BE EXACT.>>389.
>>AND HOW MANY ARE YOU REPRESENTING?
>>WE REPRESENT AROUND 150.>>AROUND OR —
>>ABOUT 150 BECAUSE WE’RE NEW ASSOCIATION.
WE ARE STILL –>>ARE YOU STILL CONTROLLED?
>>PARDON?>>ARE YOU SELF CONTROLLED?
IF SOMEBODY STEPPED OUT OF LINE , WHAT DO YOU DO?
>>WE DON’T CONTROL THE BEHAVIOR BEHAVIOR.
THIS IS YOUR JURISDICTION.>>YOUR ASSOCIATION DOES WHAT
AGAIN?>>WE’RE ASSOCIATION FOR ADVICE,
EDUCATION AND TRYING TO COMMUNICATE, HELP THEM BECAUSE
MOST OF THEM DON’T SPEAK THE FIRST LANGUAGE ENGLISH AND THE
BY-LAW TODAY THEY DON’T HAVE A TRANSLATION IF THE BOARD OF
DIRECTORS MEETING IF I CAN BE BLUNT, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE
THERE A PART OF YOUR INDUSTRY?>>RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 7 DIRECTORS
IN THE BOOK.>>YES.
>>MAKEUP OF DIRECTORS?>>PARDON ME, THEY ARE MOSTLY
HOLISTIC CENTRES, OWNERS AND PETITIONERS.
>>OKAY. SO THIS IS WEIRD.
>>THANK YOU SIR.>>ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF
DEPUTANT.>>SEEING NONE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR. DEPARTMENTTHE NEXT ONE IS JULIE
NEW JULIE NEWB NEWBAUER FROM
COVENANT HOUSE?>>IF COULD YOU HOLD HER AND
MOVE ON.>>NEXT KAMALA KEMPADOO FROM
THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SCIENCE, YORK UNIVERSITY .
THIS IS A FELLOW COLLEAGUE OF MINE, SARAH.
I’M HERE TO A DELIVER A PETITION OF SOLIDARITY FOR
MEMBERS OF ACADEMIC COMMUNITY IN TORONTO.
UNFORTUNATELY THE PROFESSORS LEADING THE EFFORTS NEED TO
LEAD EARLY TODAY SO I’M STEPPING IN TO DELIVER THE
MESSAGE. THE ENTIRETY OF THE LETTER HAS
BEEN SUBMITTED TO YOU ALREADY BUT I’LL BE READ SOMETHING
EXPERTS EXCERPTS.
MAY I CONTINUE?>>YES.
>>IT’S VITAL TO FOREGROUND THE IMPORTANCE OF VIEW AND VIEWS —
WE AS ACADEMICS WISH TO EXPRESS OUR CONCERNS CONCERNS WITH THE
MLS IN SUPPORT OF IMMIGRANT AND MIGRANT WORKERS IN THE SECTOR.
IT’S BEEN EXPRESSED BY HOLISTIC AND BODY RUB PRACTICE
PRACTITIONERS PREDOMINANTLY ASIAN THAT REEVE MOG THE FRAME
WORK ALL TOGETHER WILL NEGATIVELY
IMPACT MORE THAN 2000 FAMILIES AND RESULT IN LOSS OF JOB AND
INCOME. THE ALTERNATIVE LICENSEING
CHANGES ARE NOT VIABLE FOR HOLISTIC CENTRES AND
PRACTITIONERS. AS THE BODY RUB BY-LAWS ARE RE
RESTRICTIVE, DISCRIMINATORY AND WORKERS CAN NOT QUALIFY OR
AFFORD THE BODY RUB LICENSE. THE CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE
SHOULD BE STRIVING TO PROTECT AND SUPPORT THE RACIALIZED AND
MIGRANT WORKER COMMUNITIES SO THEY ARE ABLE TO WORK IN SAFETY
AND WITH DIGNITY FREE OF UN UNNECESSARILY INTERVENTIONS.
PEOPLE WHO OFFER HOLISTIC THERAPEUTIC AND MASSAGE SERVICES
NEED DO SO LEGALLY AND SAFELY AND HAVE OPPORTUNITYIES TO WORK
NOT FEWER. IT’S IMPORTANT TO COUNT YES THE
— COUNTER THE ASSOCIATION THAT IMMIGRANT AND MIGRANT WOMEN ARE
TRAFFIC PERSONS. IT’S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE
THAT THE MAJORITY OF WORKERS IN THIS INDUSTRY ARE MATURE WOMEN
WITH AGENCY WHO ARE NOT TRAFFIC PERSONS FORCED TO PERFORM EROTIC
LABOR. THE ISSUES PRESENTED REINFORCE
THAT THIS IS PART OF A LARGER CONVERSATION AROUND JUSTICE,
RACE AND MARGINALIZEATION. THIS IS A PATTER MATTER OF
LABOR RIGHTS RIGHTS, WORKERS RIGHTS AND PUBLIC HEALTH.
HOLISTIC AND BODY RUB WORKERS DESERVE ACCESS TO SAFE WORK
PLACES, HEALTH SERVICES AND FAIR EMPLOYMENT.
THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS OF THE DEPUTANTS? COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS?
>>THE INTRODUCTION WAS SOMETHING FROM YORK UNIVERSITY,
CORRECT?>>I’M SPEAKING ON BEHALF IN
PROXY OF MY PROFESSOR KAMALA CAMPA TAO KEMPA TAODOO WHO HAD
TO LEAVE EARLIER. THE SUBMISSION WE SUBMITTED HAS
THE SIGNATURE OF SEVERAL PROFESSORS FROM YORK UNIVERSITY,
RYERSON AND UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO.>>SOCIAL SCIENCE YORK
UNIVERSITY. SHE’S A PROFESSOR OF SOCIAL
SCIENCES.>>SHE’S NOT HERE.
>>SHE WAS HERE EARLIER BUT SHE HAD AN APPOINTMENT SO I’M READ
READING EXCERPTS FROM OUR PETITION WHICH WE SUBMITTED IN
FULL ALREADY.>>SO — AM I TO UNDERSTAND
THAT YOU ARE SUPPORTIVE — THIS INDUSTRY SUPPORTS 2200 FAMILIES.
>>THAT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING FROM EARLIER CONSULTATIONS WITH
THE DIRECTORS FROM THE HOLISTIC PRACTITIONERS ASSOCIATION THAT
WOULD BE THE GENTLEMEN THAT SPOKE BEFORE.
>>AARON. NEW ASSOCIATION SUPPORTING 2200
AND YOU ARE RUBBER STAMPING IT.>>PARDON?
>>COUNCILLOR, SHE DIDN’T HEAR YOUR QUESTION.
>>MY QUESTION IS: NEW ASSOCIATION YOU SPOKE TO THEM
AND YOU ARE RUBBER STAMPING ON WHAT THEY TOLD ME.
>>ARE YOU ASKING ME IF I PUT A RUBBER STAMP ON WHAT THEY TOLD
ME?>>YES.
>>WE’RE IN SUPPORT OF THEIR WORKERS RIGHTS AND THE NUMBERS
THAT THINK OF THEY HAVE PROVIDED YOU WITH WITH.
>>YOU ARE RUBBER STAMPING YOUR STATEMENTS YES OR NO?
CORRECT OR NOT CORRECT?>>WE’RE IN SUPPORT OF THEIR
PERSPECTIVES.>>THANK YOU.
>>THANK YOU.>>ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE
DEPUTANTS BEFORE — NO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, LADIES.
NEXT MR. JUSTIN HONG WITH THE
CHINESE AMERICAN TORONTO — JUSTIN KONG, TORONTO CHAPTER.
>>I’LL DEFER TO MY COLLEAGUE WHO WILL SPEAK LATER.
>>YOU CAN’T DEFER.>>MY COLLEAGUE WILL SPEAK
LATER LATER.>>ARE YOU MR. COPG.
>>YOU HAVE TO SPEAK — MR. KON KONG?
>>YOU HAVE TO SPEAK NOW OR –>>MY ORGANIZATION WILL SPEAK
LATER, THE ORGANIZATION.>>OKAY .
MR. NOEL D. GERRY. MR. NOEL DIFFERENT D GERRY?
OKAY MS. ANNA WILLATS.>>HELLO.
>>YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES WHENEVER YOU ARE READY.
>>THANKS FOR THE CHANCE TO SPEAK TODAY.
MY NAME IS ANNA WILLATS. I’M BEEN WORKING ON WOMEN’S AND
HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUES SINCE I MOVED HERE IN 1982 AND I’M THE
PROUD RECIPIENT OF TWO TORONTO HUMAN RIGHTS AWARDS.
I WORKED FOR 20 YEARS IN WOMEN AGAINST RAPE AND BEEN A FACULTY
MEMBER AT GEORGE BROWN COLLEGE SINCE 2000 BUT I’M HERE SPEAK
ING ON BEHALF OF MYSELF TODAY. I’M HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF
AMENDMENTS SENT TO YOU IN COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM’S MAY 17th
LETTER REGARDING THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND STAFF
REPORT REGARDING HOLISTIC CENTRES AND BODY RUB PARLORS.
MY REMARKS ARE INFORMED BY SPEAKING DIRECTLY WITH WORKER
AND ADVOCATES. HOLISTIC CENTRES ARE AN
IMPORTANT SOURCE OF INCOME AND LISTLED LIVELIHOOD FOR WORKER
AND THEIR FAMILIES. MANY REASON TO TONE TORONTONIANS
ASSUME WOMEN WORKING ARE BEING TRAFFICKED BUT WOMEN THEMSELVES
SAY THEY ARE NOT TRAFFICKED AND AS COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM POINTED
OUT THE AUDITOR GENERAL REPORT IN 2017 ALSO CONFIRMED THAT.
THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO WORK SAFELY THOUGH WITHOUT LEGAL
SANCTION AND SOCIAL STIGMA. THEY WANT AND DESERVE TO HAVE
FULG FULL ACCESS UNDER THE LAW. THEY WANT GROUPS TO STOP MAKING
SUPPORT CONDITIONAL ON WOMEN LEAVING EMPLOYMENT AND FORCES
BUSINESSES TO CLOSE TAKES JOBS AAWAY FROM WORKERS.
IN THIS CASE 2200 WORKERS EQUALS THE NUMBER THAT GM WANTS TO
LAY OFF AND WE KNOW WHAT AN. PACT THAT WILL HAVE THAT ON
THAT COMMUNITY. I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE LOSS OF
2 2200 JOBS IN THIS COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE A GREAT IMPACT AND
CERTAINLY ON THE FAMILIES. LOSS OF EMPLOYMENT UNDERMINES
INDEPENDENCE AND INCREASES VULNERABILITY TO ABUSE, EXPLOIT
EXPLOITATION AND DEPORTATION IN SOME CASES.
THOSE WHO SEEK TO PRO PROTECT WORKE WORKERS AND WOMEN WOULD
DO BETTER TO SUPPORT THEIR CALL FOR AN END TO THE VIOLENCE THEY
SAY THEY FACE ON THE JOB RIGHT NOW WHICH INCLUDES ABUSE FROM
LAW ENFORCEMENT, ROBBERY AND ASSAUL ASSAULTS BY CLIENT.
THEY WOULD PROMOTE ISSUANS OF LICENSES THAT ALLOWING THE
TIEWS USE OF TOOLS SUCH AS CAME REASONS AND LOCKED DOORS THEN
HANS THE SAFETY. THE WOMEN DOING THE WORK ARE
THE EXPERTS. A.
NOT. THE WORKERS EMPLOYED IN
HOLISTIC CENTERS AND BODY RUB PARLORS MUST BE THE ONES TO
V.I.S.N. ADVISE ABOUT POLICIES THAT PROTECT.
THEY THEY MUST PROVIDE THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELL BEING
OF WORKERS THERE. THEY ARE NO LESS DESERVING OF
PROTECTION THAN ANY OTHER WORKER IN TORONTO.
THOSE WORKERS CONTRIBUTE TO OUR ECONOMY BY SPENDING MONEY, THEY
EARN IN THEIR COMMUNITIES PAYING TAXES, ET CETERA.
THEY ALREADY FACE GENDER AND LANGUAGE BARRIERS.
IF THEIR WORK IS CRIMINALIZED AND ENDING MANY FEEL FORCED TO
GO UNDERGROUND TO EARN A LIVING. SHORT SIGHTED LICENSES
AMENDMEN AMENDMENTS ARE NOT AN EFFECTIVE WAY TO HELP HELP
WOMEN ALREADY FACING CHALLENGES. SO I DO SUPPORT THE AMENDMENTS
AS SUGGESTED BY COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM THAT CITY COUNCIL
ADOPT THE FOLLOWING PRINCIPALS FOR REGULATING THE BODY RUB
AND HOLISTIC CENTER INDUSTRY BY EN ENSHIEWRG THE LABOR RIGHTS
WORK PLACE SAFETY, HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELL BEING OF
PERSONS BY USING CONSUMER AND WORKER PROTECTION AND ON AND ON
AS COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM HAS SAID. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME .
>>YOU SAID THAT 2200 JOBS. THAT COMES OUT TO ABOUT 4
PRACTITIONERS PER ESTABLISHMENT.>>YES, IS THAT THE IMAGINE,
OKAY.>>HAVE YOU VISITED ANY OF THE
ESTABLISHMENTS IN?>>NO SIR, I HAVE NOT.
>>YOU SAID THAT THESE WOMEN PAY TAXES —
>>IT’S MY UNDERSTANDING IF THEY PURCHASED GOODS IN THE
COMMUNITY THEY ARE PAYING TAXES. IF THEY TAKE THE TTCER THIS
CONTRIBUTING TO THE ECONOMY. IF THEY ARE SENDING THEIR KIDS
TO OUR SCHOOLS AND BUYING LUNCHES THEY ARE CONTRIBUTING
TO OUR ECONOMY.>>MY FRSING IS IF YOU WORK YOU
PAY TAXES. ARE YOU FAMILIAR OR CAN YOU
CERTIFY THAT THESE — THE FOLKS, THE 200 — 2200 THAT YOU CLAIM,
THE NUMBER, THAT THESE PEOPLE PAY TAXES.
>>IF THEY ARE BUYING GOODS AND SERVICES THEY ARE PAYING TAXES.
IF THEY ARE RENTING A PROPERTY, THEY ARE PROBABLY CONTRIBUTEING
TO THE PROPERTY TAX.>>ARE THEY PAYING TAXES FOR
THE WORK THAT THEY DO. NO, THEY ARE NOT.
>>THANK YOU.>>IS THAT A RHETORICAL
QUESTION QUESTION, COUNCILLOR.>>COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM,
QUESTIONS OF DEPUTANT.>>TO THE DEPUTANT AND THROUGH
YOU MR. CHAIR.>>THE MAJORITY OF WORKERS IN
THE HOLISTIC CENTRES ARE ASIAN WOMEN, CORRECT?
>>THAT’S MY UNDERSTANDING, YES.>>WITH RESPECT TO THE
OPPORTUNITIES FOR EMPLOYMENT ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE WHO ARE
NEW COMERS THAT DON’T SPEAK ENGLISH, HOW READILY AVAILABLE
ARE THOSE JOBS OUT THERE THAT DO NOT EXPLOIT THE WORKERS.
THAT’S EXACTLY THE PROBLEM. WE KNOW IN TORONTO AND WE’VE
SEEN STUDY THAT’S GAP BETWEEN IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES, RACIALIZ
RACIALIZED COMMUNITIES AND WHITE NON-IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY
IES IS WIDENING AND WIDENING. WE KNOW THAT RACIALIZED PEOPLE
ESPECIALLY IF THE FIRST LANGE LIG IS NOT ENGLISH FACE
INCREDIBLE DISCRIMINATION WHETHER IT COMES TO HOUSEING
AND WORK. I MANAGE AID PROJECT AT GEORGE
BROWN FOR TEN YEARS WHERE WE WORK WITH LOW INCOME WOMEN TRY
TRYING TO BREAK INTO TRADES AND WORK IT’S INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT.
IT’S DIFFICULT TO GETTING THE TRAINING YOU NEED.
IT’S DIFFICULT TO BE ABLE TO KEEP YOUR FAMILY AND BODY AND
SOUL TOGETHER WHILE YOU ARE GETTING THAT TRAINING TO BE
ABLE TO QUALIFY FOR JOBS THAT PAY A DECENT WAGE.
WE UNFORTUNATELY HAVE A PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT THAT IS
DETERMINED TO KEEP WAGES DOWN SO LOW EVEN IF IF PEOPLE ARE
WORKING FULL TIME THEY CAN’T SUPPORT THEIR FAMILIES.
SO ALL OF THESE THINGS HIT THESE WORKERS THE WORST.
>>THERE HAVE BEEN SOME STATEMENTS MADE TODAY ABOUT THE
HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND SEX WORK. BECAUSE MOST OF THESE PRACTICE
PRACTITIONERS ARE ASIAN WOMEN, DO YOU BELIEVE THERE MAY BE
SOME ASSUMPTIONS BEING MADE THAT PRACTITIONERS IN HOLISTIC
CENTR CENTRES ARE ENGAGED IN SEX WORK BASED ON THE RACIAL
BACKGROUND, BASED ON THE GENDER?>>I CAN’T SPEAK TO EXACTLY
WHAT EVERYBODY IS ASSUMING BUT I DO KNOW THAT WHENEVER WE’RE
TALKING ABOUT THE WORK OF RACIALIZED OF IMGRANLT PEOPLE,
PEOPLE WHO ARE MARGINALIZED BE
DON’T KNOW. I DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT
OF PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY, VERY UN UNCOMFORTABLE AND — WITH SEX
WORK OF ANY KIND SO IT’S VERY EASY TO CONFLATE I THIS IT’S A
BIGGER CONVERSATION. THINK THERE’S A COMMITTEE MEET
BEING THAT NEXT WEEK. YES, I THINK IT’S VERY EASY FOR
FOAM MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT THE WORK THAT MIGRANT WOMEN ARE
DOING STEREOTYPES WE HAVE ABOUT
ASIAN PEOPLE AND ASIAN WOMEN DO CONFLAIT.
BEING AN IMMIGRANT ASIAN WOMEN DOING SEX WORK.
I THINK THOSE STEREOTYPES MAY BE AT PLAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>>THE NEXT PERSON LISTED ON — [ APPLAUSE ]
— THE NEXT PERSON LISTED IS LUIS ALBERTO MATA OF THE ANTI
ANTI-HUMAN TRAFFICKING PROGRAM AND MIGRANT WORKERS MOBILE
PROGRAM. I WORK FOR THE REFUGEE CENTER.
I’M THE ANTIHUMAN TRAFFIC COORDINATOR.
AS A HUMAN TRAFFIC WORKER, I HAVE WORDS TO SAY.
THE REVIEW OF THE BALLISTIC MISSILES TO REGULATE HOLISTIC
CENTERS SHOULD NOT BE DONE UNDER THE LENS OF HUMAN TRAFFIC .
WHEN THE CASE IS CONSIDERED HUMAN TRAFFICKING FOR LABOR
EXPLOITATION. I HAVE FOUND PROBLEMATIC WHEN
THE AUTHORITIES ADDRESSED SITUATION WHERE SEX WORKERS ARE
INVOLVED. FOR INSTANCE,, CAN BE ON THE
PARLOR BECAUSE NOT ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN TRAFFICKED.
THEY ARE WORKING MANY TIMES OR MOST OF THE TIMES BY CHOICE.
BUT THEY HAVE BEEN — THEY’VE
BEEN ABUSES AND EXPLOITED. DEREGULATION SHOULD BE GUIDED
BY LABOR RIGHTS. I DARE SAY IT SHOULD BE DONE
UNDER THE LENS OF HUMAN RIGHTS .
I UNDERSTAND THE WOMEN WORKING IN THE PARLORS ARE ALSO — MY
UNDERSTANDING MIGRANT WORKERS AND MIGRANT WORKERS LIVE IN
THIS COUNTRY UNDER IMMIGRATION STATUS STATUS.
HERE UNTIL YOU GET THE CITIZEN CITIZENSHIP YOU LIVE WITH THE
— THEN IN THE REFUGEE CENTER
WE ARE OKAY FOR THOSE LIVING UNDER THE STATUS .
WE’RE TALKING ABOUT INTERNATIONAL INTERNATION CASES.
WE SEE ON THE HOAR RISE DWRON MORE AND MORE WORKERS UNDERRING
UNDERGROUND. AND IT’S VICTIMS AFTER ABUSES
AND LABOR EXPLOITATION. IF THIS KIND OF REGULATION, R
REPRESSIVE REGULATION IS IMPOSED IMPOSED.
THEREFORE, [INDISCERNIBLE] WE
RECOGNIZE THESE WOMEN ARE THE WORKERS SUBJECT OR HUMAN RIGHTS
SUBJECTS OF THE LABOR RIGHTS .
AND APPROACH TO SUPPORT PEOPLE IN A VULNERABLE SITUATION
EXPLOITED OR TRAFFICKED IN A TRAFFIC SITUATION PEOPLE ON THE
FIELD IT’S VERY IMPORTANT. PEOPLE IN THE FIELD KNOW AND
EXPERIENCE THE REALITY. THEN BALLISTIC MISSILE REVIEW
IN REAL WITH HOLISTIC CENTERS AND PRACTITIONERS.
THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU, SIR.
ANY QUESTIONS OF DEPUTANT?>>COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS?
>>THANK YOU FOR COMING TO MAKE THE DEPUTATION.
WE APPRECIATE IT. HAVE YOU BEEN IN ANY HOLISTIC
CENTERS. VISITED THEMSELVE THEM
YOURSELF?>>I HAVE VISITED, YES.
>>CAN YOU DESCRIBE TO US THE CONDITIONS?
>>HUMAN TRAFFICKING AS A SOCIAL WORKER WORKING FOR THE
CENTRE, YES.>>CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT THEY
LOOK LIKE OUTSIDE? CAN WOMEN CAN THEY SEE OUTSIDE
CAN PEOPLE SEE IN?>>CAN YOU RESAY THE QUESTION.
>>ON THE PREMISES ARE THEY ABLE FOR PEOPLE TO SEE INSIDE?
ARE THEY ABLE TO SEE INSIDE? IF SOMEBODY IS HIDDEN WHAT DO
YOU THINK IS GOING ON?>>I’LL ANSWER WITH A QUESTION.
>>I’M ASKING THE QUESTION.>>IF YOU DON’T WANT TO WANT TO
UNDERSTAND I UNDERSTAND BUT I’M ASKING.
>>YOU ARE SAYING THE QUESTION IN A REPRESSIVE WAY IN INSTEAD
TO SEE IT IN A HUMAN RIGHTS YOU’LL MAKE MORE DAMAGE.
>>BESIDES THIS SERVICES, THE HOLISTIC SERVICES THAT ARE
COMPLETELY — YOU CANNOT SEE INSIDE OR OUTSIDE, IS THERE ANY
OTHER BUSINESSES THAT YOU HAVE GONE TO THAT EMPLOY PEOPLE THAT
ARE PROBABLY MIGRANT IMMIGRANTS THAT ARE WORKING THAT ARE
COMPLETELY DARK? HAVE YOU EVER GONE TO ANY OTHER
ESTABLISHMENTS?>>HOW WOULD YOU — SORRY?
LET ME TRY THIS AGAIN, SIR. THESE ESTABLISHMENTS, YOU
AGREED WITH ME THAT THERE’S NO VISIBILITY INSIDE OR OUTSIDE.
>>OKAY. ANY OTHER ESTABLISH.
S, ANY OTHER WORK THAT EMPLOYEES EMPLOYEES, MIGRANT WORKERS ARE
THEY WORKING UNDER THE SAME CONDITIONS THAT YOU CANNOT SEE
INSIDE AND OUTSIDE? YOU MUST HAVE VISITED THEIR
SHOPS, THEIR OPERATIONS, RIGHT? HAVE YOU?
>>I WOULD SAY THAT THOSE PEOPLE SHOULD BE SUBJECT ON
LABOR RIGH RIGHTS AND EMPLOYMENT STANDARDS.
LET ME REPEAT THE QUESTION IN THE MINUTE I HAVE IN THE BODY
RUB ESTABLISHMENTS IN THE HOLE LISK ESTABLISH THES, THERE’S A
FILM ON THE WINDOW AND YOU CANNOT SEE INSIDE OR OUTSIDE.
>>OKAY.>>THEY ARE MIGRANT WORKERS WE
AGREED UPON THAT.>>NUMBER TWO, ANY OTHER PLACES
THAT YOU HAVE VISITS THAT MIGRANT WORKERS WORK ARE THEY
WORKING UNDER THE SAME QUESTIONS QUESTIONS, YES OR NO?
>>NO.>>OKAY.
SO YOU THEN WANT THESESES MIGRANT WORKERS TO WORK UNDER
THESE CONDITIONS WHILE THE OTHER MIGRANT WORKERS ARE UNDER
DIFFERENT CONDITIONS. YOU ARE NOT ADVOCATING THE
SAME FOR THE WORKERS AT HOLISTIC —
>>I’M ADVOCATING FOR HUMAN BEINGS SUBJECT TO LABOR RIGHTS
AND HUMAN RIGHTS.>>IS THE INDIVIDUAL THAT WORKS
IN A HOLISTIC BODY RUB PARLOR IS THAT INDIVIDUAL HAVE THE
SAME RIGHTS AS OTHER RIGHTS OF PEOPL PEOPLE?
>>OF COURSE.>>THANK YOU.
COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM.>>FOLLOWING UP ON COUNCILLOR
KARYGIANNIS’ LINE OF QUESTIONING QUESTIONING.
>>SORRY.>>THAT’S OKAY.
THANK YOU. JUST FOLLOWING UP ON COUNCILLOR
KARYGIANNIS’ LINE OF QUESTIONING THAT HUMAN TRAFFIC
KING WOULD HAPPEN IN THE CLOAK OF DARKNESS.
HUMAN TRAFFICKING THE EXPLOIT EXPLOITATION OF MIGRANT WORKERS
DOES THAT NOT HAPPEN ON FARMS?>>IT’S HAPPENING IN MANY PART
IS PARTS, YES.>>DOES IT HAPPEN NOT IN
DOMESTIC WORK?>>YES.
>>DOES IT NOT HAPPEN IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY?
>>IT’S HAPPENING IN THE CONSTRUCTION SECTOR.
>>THOSE SECTORS WHERE WE SEE HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND MIGRANT
WORKERS, LABOR EXPLOITED THEY ARE NOT CLOAKED IN DARKNESS AND
WRAPPED IN WINDOWS YOU CANNOT SEE THROUGH.
IT’S HAPPENING IN BROAD DAYLIGHT AND HAPPENING UNDERNEATH OUR
NOSES, IS THAT THE NOT CORRECT?>>YOU CANNOT SEE WITH THE SAME
LENS, EVERYTHING. BUT IT’S HAPPENING IN THOSE
SECTORS. IT’S HAPPENING IN EXPLOITATION,
YES.>>AND YET GOVERNMENT IS ONE OF
ACTORS ENABLEING THAT TO HAPPEN?>>
>>THERE ARE SYSTEMIC ISSUES THAT PROVOKE THE SITUATION, YES.
>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT WAS HELPFUL.
>>POUREDDOR.>>YES, THIS HAPPENED A COUPLE
OF TIMES IF THE OWDZ COUNCILLOR WANTS TO ASK REQUEST I THINK
THE PERSON SHOULD PUT THEIR NAME FORWARD BEFORE YOU ASK THE
CHAIRS. SORRY I THE OUTSIDE COUNCILLOR
SHOULD GO FIRST.>>THANK YOU YOU: THEY ON THE
LIST IS LISA LI. LISA LI?
>>LISA LI.>>LISA LI.
THANK YOU. LISA LI?
OKAY. NEXT ON THE LIST IS THAT
BRIANNA GREAVES SHOWING UP FOR
RAISHT JUSTICE TORONTO. — RAIRNL JUSTICE — RACIAL
JUSTICE TORONTO.>>IS THIS THE RIGHT ONE?
PICK A CHAIR, ANY CHAIR. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
>>I’M READY. MY NAME IS BRIANNA GR EAVES AND
I’M SPEAKING FOR SHOWING UP FOR RACIAL JUSTICE TORONTO AND WE
WORK TO SUPPORT AND COLLABORATE WITH RACIAL JUSTICE AND DECOLL
NIEZATION .
I’M HERE TO SPEAK IN RESPONSE TO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT
HOLISTIC CENTRES IN BODY RUB PARTICLEORS.
THEY CONSTITUTE A CRIT CRITICAL SOURCE OF INCOME FOR OVER 2,000
MOSTLY ASIAN WOMEN EMPLOYED AS HOLISTIC PRACTITIONERS A REPORT
REVEALED THAT RACIALIZED IMMIGRANT WOMEN IN ONTARIO
EXPERIENCED A HEIGHTENED RISK OF POOR WORKING CONDITION AND
DISPROPORTIONALLY LOWER INCOMES. WE RECOGNIZE DISCRIMINATORY
LICENSEING REQUIREMENT AS A RACIAL JUSTICE ISSUE THAT
OBSTRUCT HOLISTIC PRACTITIONERS RIGHT TO WORK AND MAKE A LIVING.
THEY’LL FURTHER MARGINALIZE THESE INDIVIDUALS WHO
INDIVIDUALS WHO FACE DISCRIMINATION INCLUDING LACK
OF LANGUAGE ONCE ARRIVEING IN CANADA CANADA.
AND IN ADDITION TO INCREASING HOLISTIC PRACTITIONERS ECONOMIC
VULNERABLE VULNERABILITY REPRESS IVE
REGULATIONS INCREASE WORKERS TO MORE EXPLOITATEIVE EXPLOITATE
EXPLOITATIVE CONDITIONS. POOR WORKING CONDITIONS ARE
OFTEN CONFLATED WITH TRAFFICKING AND SEX WORK IS
OFTEN CONFLATED WITH TRAFFICKING AND CRITICAL TO
MEANINGFUL UNDERSTANDING OF THIS SITUATION IS AN ANALYSIS
OF THE WAY IN WHICH THE CITY BY-LAWS HAVE BEEN IN MANY CASES
OPERATIONALLIZED TO CREATE THE POOR WORKING CONDITIONS THE
CITY WORKERS CLAIM TO BE TRYING TO TRYING TO PREVENT.
ANY CHANGES MUST NOT IMPACT THEIR RIGHT TO WORK AND SUPPORT
THEIR FAMILIES AND RESTRICTIVE MODEL DIE EMPLOYED TO A–
DEPLOYED TO ADDRESS VULNERABLE WORKING CONDITIONS MUST BE RE
REPLACED WITH A LABOR RIGHTS FREIGHTWORK AND — FRAMEWORK
THAT APPROACHES SULT CURE — CULTURAL CULTURALLY SENSITIVE.
CITY RESOURCES SHOULD BE MOBILIZED TO END THE
DISCRIMINATION AGAINST HOLISTIC PRACTITIONERS, BODY RUB WORKERS
AND SEX WORKERS WOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO WORK PLACE FREE FROM
HAD A LASSMENT AND DESCRIM — HARASSMENT AND DISCRIMINATION.
I SUPPORT THE AMENDMENTS BROUGHT FORWARD ON MAY 17.
>>THANK YOU. QUESTIONS TO THE DEPUTANT?
SEEING NONE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING IN THIS
AFTERNOON. NEXT ON THE LIST IS MS. LINDA
B BEAUDOIN ADVOCATE FOR CHILD AND PRO PROTIKS AND —
PROTECTION AND PUBLIC SAFETY.>>THANK FOR GIVING ME THIS
TIM TIME. I WOULD LIKE TO RUN DOWN YOUR
LIST HERE AND I NOTICED SOMETHING.
NUMBER 15 TIM LAMBRINOS EMILY EMERY IL VILLAGE IMPROVEMENT
AREA. I DON’T KNOW WHY HE DESCRIBE
HIMSELF AS HE IS.>>POINT OF ORDER.
>>HE IS A REGISTERED LOBBYIST IN TORONTO AND HEAD THE ADULT
ENTERTAINMENT IN CANADA. FOR ANYONE THAT WANTS TO KNOW.
>>STICK TO YOUR DEPP DEPP DEPUTATION ON THE TOPIC PLEASE.
>>YOU NEED CORRECT INFORMATION THERE.
I HAVE EXPERIENCE ABOUT THE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESS
WAS UNDERANYTHING THAT THAT ENVIRONMENT.
I — UNDER AGE IN THAT ENVIRONMENT.
FOR DECADES BROTHELS HAVE BEEN USING THE PRETENSE OF BODY RUBS
AND MASSAGE PARLORS TO DO THEIR BUSINESS.
TODAY I’M HERE BECAUSE MANUAL MEN MANUEL JAKS JACQUES HE WAS
FOUND ON THE TOP OF A BODY RUB PARLOR ON YONG YONGE STREET.
I DON’T WANT TO SEE ANOTHER CHILD OR WOMEN VICTIMIZED.
MY RECOMMENDATIONS, IF I COULD HAVE THEM, PROBABLY WOULDN’T BE COMEING FROM AN ABUSEIVE UP
UPBRINGING, LOST AND EASILY RECRUITED AND EXPLOITED, I CAN
SAY THAT THE GOVERNMENT MAKES VICTIMS THAT ARE NOT AWARE —
THAT ARE TAUGHT THE WRONG THINGS THINGS.
MAKES THEM THINK IT’S OKAY BECAUSE THERE’S A PERMIT.
SO I — I’M JUST LOST FOR WORES.
WASN’T TO SEE THESE PLACES SHUT DOWN BECAUSE I’VE SEEN TOO MUCH
STUFF HAPPENING IN THE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESS.
AND JUST TOO MUCH STUFF AND I DON’T WANT AGREE WITH ANY OF
THOSE OPERATIONS. OKAY?
I HAVE TONS OF STORIES THAT I WOULDN’T EVEN WANT TO SHARE BUT
WE NEED TO REMEMBER EMMANUEL JACQUES WHO WAS FOUND ON YONGE
STREET ABOVE CHARLIE’S ANGELS BY MEN WHO TORTURED HIM, RAPED
HIM AND MURDERED HIM AND HIS KILLER IS TRYING TO GET OUT OF
JAIL. AND THIS IS ALL FROM BEING
FOUND ON TOP OF A MA SAWJ PARLOR.
THE BODY GUARD FROM THE MASSAGE PARLOR WAS ONE OF THE MEN WHO
TOOK THE LIFE OF MANUEL JACQUES.>>I NEED TO YOU WRAP UP PLEASE.
>>THAT’S FINE.>>ANY QUESTIONS?
>>NONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING
IN THIS AFTERNOON. APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION .
NEXT ON THE LIST IS ELENE LAM, BUTTERFLY,S A YAM AND MIGRANT
SEX WORKERS SUPPORT NETWORK.>>GOOD AFTERNOON, I’M ELENE
LAM EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF BUTTERFLY.
WE SUPPORT WORKERS IN OL LISK CENTRE BODY RUB PARLOR AND SEX
INDUSTRY IN TORONTO. WE’RE SUPPORTING THE MOTION
MOVED BY COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM ON MAY 17th TO MAKE SURE LABOR
RIGHTS OF THE WORKERS SHOULD BE PROTECTED AND CONSULTATION
SHOULD RISEN TO THE HOLISTIC PETITIONER AND BODY RUB PARLOR.
WE’RE HERE BECAUSE THIS POLICY CHANGE WILL AFFECT THE
LIKELIHOOD OF MORE THAN 200,000 WORKERS IN HOLISTIC BODY RUB
PARLOR. AS MANY HAVE MENTIONED MAJORITY
OF THEM ARE ASIAN WOMAN AND IMMIGRANT WOMAN IN CANADA SO
THEY ARE VERY — NEED THIS JOB FOR THEIR LIVELIHOOD.
THERE’S MORE THAN 500 WORKERS EVERY YEAR.
AAND SHUTTING DOWN THE BUSINESS
THAT WE EMPLOY THEM WOULD NOT PROTECT THEM.
THEY CREATE MORE WORKING CONDITION AND INCREASE THE WOR
WORKERS VULNERABILITY TO BALANCE AND EXPLOITATION I
WOULD LAKE TO SHARE WITH YOU. I’M A 55 YEARS OLD WOMAN.
I USE MY HANDS TO SUPPORT MYSELF AND MY FAMILY.
THE CITY SHOULD RESPECT MY CONTRIBUTION AND SUPPORT US.
THEY SHOULD NOT SEE US AS PROBLEM OR ENEMY.
WHAT CAN I DO IF I LOST MY JOB? IT’S IMPORTANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THEY ARE OFFERING HOLISTIC
SERVICE. THEY ARE A SMALL NUMBER OF
WORKERS THAT MAY OFFER BODY RUB BECAUSE OF DIFFERENT RAND THEY
ARE NOT ABLE ABLE TO ASSESS THE LICENSE BECAUSE OF SIGMA TIES
TIESATION. WE SUPPORT THE STAFF
RECOMMENDATION TO CONTACT FURTHER STUDIES ABOUT THE IMPACT
OF CHANGE BUT CITIES SHOULD LIS LISTEN TO THE WORKER TO
ENSURE THAT BY LAW THEY MAKE IT
ACCESS ACCESSIBLE AND PROTECTED THE LABOR RIGHTS OF THE WORKER.
WE KNOW THEY’VE PAID A LOT OF EFFORT TO LISTEN TO THE WORKER
DURING THE CONSULTATION SO WE HOPE WE CAN WORK TOGETHER IN
THE COMING CHANGE TO WORK TOGETHER AND LISTEN TO THE
VOICES AND CONSULT TO THE WORKER TO INFORM THE POLICY.
WORKERS ACTIONS — WORKERS IN HOLISTIC CENTRE ARE THE
RESIDENT RESIDENTS OF TORONTO WHO LIVE, WORK AND CONTRIBUTE
TO OUR SOCIETY. SO YOU NEED TO REMEMBER THAT
ACTUALLY THEY HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTS IN TORONTO SUPPORTING
THEM. SO IN LAST YEAR THERE’S A
COMMUNITY EVENT. 400 PEOPLE SIGNED A PETITION TO
SUPPORT THE WORKER IN TWO DAYS. SO MORE THAN 25000 FAMILY
AFFECT BY THE POLICY CHANGE. WE KNOW THAT MANY WORKERS ARE
WORRIED THAT WHEN THEY LOST THEIR LICENSE THEY THEN THEY
LOST A JOB. THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO SUPPORT
THEMSELVES AND FAMILIES.>>NEED YOU TO WRAP UP PLEASE.
>>WE HOPE THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS ACCEPT THE MOTION MOVED
BY COMMISSIONER WONG-TAM AND EN SURE
THE WELLNESS OF THE WORKER AND CONSULT THE WORKERS IN HOLISTIC
CENTRE AND BODY RUB PARLOR DURING THE CONSULTATION.
THANK YOU.>>
>>THANK YOU.>>COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS?
>>ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE TERM WORLD TRAVELER IN THE
COMMUNITY?>>I DON’T KNOW WHEN YOU MEAN
BUT I TRAVEL FROM DIFFERENT COUNTRY.
>>WHAT I’M TOLYING.>>I DON’T KNOW WHAT IS MY
MEANING BUT WHAT I WANT TO TELL YOU IS THE IMPORTANCE OF SAFET
SAFETY –>>ALLOW ME TO THE ASK THE
QUESTION I’VE BEEN TOLD WORLD TRAVELER STARTS FROM THE ORIENT
AND COMES FROM TORONTO AND [ [CROWD BOOS]
>>TORONTO GOES TO NEW YORK, NEW YORK TO SAN FRANCISCO, UP
TO VANCOUVER TO UK AND THEN AUSTRALIA AND THEN BACK HOME.
>>CAN I SHOW YOU MY PASSPORT. I TRAVEL A LOT ALSO.
I TRAVEL MORE THAN 20 COUNTRY IN ONE YEAR.
I BELIEVE — WE WANT IT SAFE. WE WANT TO FOCUS ON HOW TO MAKE
THE WORKER SAFE AND WOMAN CAN SURVIVE IN HOLISTIC CENTRE BUT
NOT ONLY WOMEN BUT MEN.>>I THINK YOU MUST BE FAMILIAR
WITH THE TERM AND I THANK YOU —
>>SORRY. COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS —
>>IF I OFFENDED THE DEPUTANT MY APOLOGIES BUT YOU ARE
CERTAINLY WITH THE TERM AND KNOWLEDGE AND YOU COMING
AGGRESSIVELY AT ME.>>SO COUNCILLOR, RIGHT NOW
WE’RE ASKING QUESTIONS OF DEPUTANT, NOT ASKING THEM —
NOT ACCUSING THEM THINGS OR EXPLAINING THINGS.
>>NOT ACCUSING –>>CAN I FINISH.
I’M TALKING. I’M THE CHAIR.
I ASK YOU TO FOLLOW THE RULES. [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>>MIGHT WANT TO POINT OUT TO
YOU COUNCILLOR, I WAS FOLLOWING THE RULES.
>>NO, I DON’T THINK YOU WERE. THANK YOU.
>>I ASK ALSO ASK PEOPLE THE RULES WE HAVE HERE.
WE ASK YOU TO REFRAIN FROM APPLAUSE.
>>THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY?
SORRY?>>THANK YOU MS. LAM YOU ARE
FROM BUTTERFLY. ARE YOU SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF
YOURSELF AND ORGANIZATION.>>IT’S A SEX WORKER
ORGANIZATION BUT WE WORK WITH PEOPLE IN HOLISTIC CENTRE AND
DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION.>>UNDERSTOOD.
SO YOU’VE GOT A FAIRLY WIDE RANGE OF PEOPLE THAT YOU WORK
WITH. I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE
BIT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE POLICY, DO YOU SUPPORT MORE OR
LESS REGULATION AND IN PARTICULAR WHEN IT COMES TO
HOLISTIC CENTRES.>>OF COURSE, SO THAT WE CAN
SEE WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF REGULATION, RIGHT.
WHAT WE SEE NOW THE REGULATION IS IMPOSEING A LOT OF
REGULATION MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO WORK, FOR EXAMPLE AND SAFETY.
NOT ALLOW THE PEOPLE TO LOOK THE — LOCK THE DOOR AND MAKE
PEOPLE MORE DANGEROUS. I THINK MANY WORKERS IS WORRIED
THAT WHEN THE LICENSE REMOVED THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO WORK
ANYMORE. I THINK THAT’S WHY WE’RE HERE.
>>I DON’T MEAN THE GRAINS OF REGULATION.
I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH THATFUL.
BUT JUST THE CONCEPT OF TAKING AWAY THE REGULATION
COMPLETELY BECOMES AN UNLIENCED AREA.
DO YOU SUPPORT KEEPING SOME REGULATIONS IN PLACE OR TAKING
THEM ALL WAY.>>WHAT WE SEE IS WE HAVE A LOT
OF UN UNCERTAINTY BECAUSE WHAT WE SEE IS THE BODY RUB PARLOR
IS OVERREGULATE AND MANY EXSIS SIVE
REGULATION MAYBE IT NOT POSSIBLE TO WORK.
IT’S UNCLEAR SO IT’S WHY IT’S PANIC AND WORRY OF THE WORKER.
ANY CHANGE OF POLICY. THAT’S WHERE THE VICTIM CANNOT
WORK ANYMORE. I THINK THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT
TO CONSULT THE WORKERS SO THE WORKER IS TELLING WHY THEY
WORRY ABOUT REMOVE THE LICENSE 678 I THINK THIS IS VERY
IMPORTANT THAT THE STAFF CONTINUES TO CONSULT THE WORKER
TO SEE WHAT MOD MODEL IS THE BEST FOR THE WORKE WORKER.
>>YOU MENTIONED BODY RUB BUT I WANT TO STAY WITH HOL LIIVES.
DO YOU SUPPORT SOME REGULATION?>>I THINK WE NEED FURTHER
CONSULTATION OF THE WORKER AND NOW THE WORKER WANT THE LICENSE
BECAUSE THEY CREATE UNCERTAINTY. IF WE REMOVE THE LICENSE PEOPLE
LOST A JOB. I THINK THAT WILL BE.
HOW THE LOSS WOULD BE REGULATED WE HAVE A BUNCH OF WORKER HERE
SO THEY NEED TO BE CONSULT AND AND — YEAH.
AS A COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION WE ARE STILL WORKING WITH THE
COMMUNITY TO FIND OUT WHAT IS THE BEST FOR THEM, RIGHT.
>>IN TERMS OF BUTTERFLY, DOES THE GROUP HAVE A POSITION ON
THE CAP OF 25? DO YOU WANT TO SEE A CAP STAY
OR HAVE MORE BODY RUB. WE SUPPORT TO REMOVE THE CAP
BECAUSE THIS MAKES SOME OF THE WORKER THEY FEEL THAT THEY WANT
TO APPLY THE BODY RUB LICENSE BUT NOT POSSIBILITY BUT THIS
NEEDS TO A LOT OF CHANGE OF BODY REMEMBER REGULATION
BECAUSE IT MAKES PEOPLE NOT ABLE TO WORK.
WE HAVE COMMUNITY SUBMISSION WITH OTHERS TO SUPPORT THAT.
THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF DEPUTANT. SEEING NONE.
THANK YOU FOR COMING IN THIS AFTERNOON.
>>THANK YOU. [ APPLAUSE ]>>NEXT I HAVE KENNES LIN, THE
CHINESE CANADIAN NATIONAL COUNCIL TORONTO CHAPTER.>>JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU
THERE’S NO APPLAUSE IN COMMITTEE.
>>I JUST REMINDED EVERYBODY THAT TWO MINUTES AGO.
>>AND THEY JUST APPLAUDED.>>YEP.
>> SORRY.
–>>I’M KENNES LIN FROM CHINESE
CANADIAN NATIONAL COUNCIL.>>MY APOLOGIES.
>>GO RIGHT AHEAD. I’LL GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS
DEPUTANT.>>THANK YOU.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT AND LICENSE
ING COMMITTEE FOR THE OPPORTUNITY
TO SPEAK TODAY. MY NAME IS KENNES LIN AND WE’RE
AN ORGANIZATION IN SUPPORT OF LABOR RIGHTS ADRISSING WORKING
EXPLOITATION AND ABUSE AND SECTORS NOT ONLY IN HOLISTIC
CENTRES BUT ALSO GROCERY STORE WORKERS.
I’M ALSO AN ASIAN IMMIGRANT WOMAN LIVING NEAR TORONTO.
I’M HERE TO SHARE MY CONCERNS ON PROPOSED RECOMMENDATIONS TO
THE BODY RUB PARLOR AND HOLISTIC CENTER BALLISTIC
MISSILES BROUGHT TO YOU. I’M CONCERNED WITH THE IMPACT
OF THE REMOVAL OF LICENSE REQUIREMENTS UP FOR HOLISTIC
CENTRES AND PRACTITIONERS AND ON THE 2200.
2200. WHO WORK AND LIVE IN TORONTO.
WHILE I AM ALSO AN IMMIGRANT WOMAN LIVING IN TORONTO MY
REALITY IS DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE IMMIGRANT
ASIAN WOMEN WORKING IN HOLISTIC CENTRES BECAUSE I’M FLUENT IN
ENGLISH HAVE A POST SECONDARY EDUCATION IN AND IT CAN AA AND
I’M ABLE TO EASILY HAVE A JOB TO EARN A LIVE LIVABLE INCOME
IN THIS CITY OF TORONTO THAT WE ALL COME HOME.
>>THIS REALITY IS DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT FOR OVER 90% OF THE
WORKERS IN HOLISTIC CENTRES. OVER 90% OF WORKERS ARE
IMMIGRANT MIDDLE AGE ASIAN WOMEN WHO ARE LIMITED EMPLOY
MENT OPPORTUNITIES OUTSIDE OF HOLISTIC CENTRES DUE TO LIMITED
ENGLISH SKILLS AND THINK MUST EARN A LIVEING TO SUPPORT
THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES. WORK AS HOLISTIC PRACTITIONERS
IN CENTRES IS A RIDICULOUSLY IMPORTANT SOURCE OF INCOME AND
LIVELIHOOD FOR WORKER AND FAMILIES.
THEY ARE WORRIED THEY’LL NOT BE ABLE TO WORK ANYMORE AFTER THE
CITY REMOVES THIS LICENSE. JUST AS AM ABLE TO SPEAK AND BE
HEARD HERE AS RESIDENTS OF TORONTO I BELIEVE THEIR RIGHTS,
VOICES AND CONTRIBUTIONS SHOULD ALSO BE RESPECTED.
WHILE CITY STAFF ARE RECOMMEND RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY
COUNCIL ADOPT PRINCIPLES OF ENSURING THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND
WELL BEING OF PERSONS WORKING IN BODY RUB PARLORS I’M URGING
THE CITY TO PROTECT THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELL BEING OF LABOR
RIGHTS OF THOSE WORKING IN HOLISTIC CENTRES, TOO.
ANY CHANGE TO BY-LAWS SHOULD NOT IMPOSE REQUIREMENTS THAT
PREVENT WORKERS FROM CONTINU ING TO WORK.
BY SHUTTING DOWN BUSINESSES AND TAKING AWAY JOBS FROM WORKERS
ASIAN IMMIGRANT WOMEN IN TORONTO WILL BE FURTHER MARGIN
ALIZED TO MORE VULNERABLE CONDITIONS
TO SURVIVE. IN SUCH RECAREOUS POSITIONS
THEY’LL BE PUT AT FURTHER RISK OF ABUSE AND EXPLOITATION.
I DO NOT WANT THAT FOR OTHER ASIAN IMMIGRANT WOMEN LIVING IN
TORONTO. IN MY ORGANIZATION ALSO DO NOT
WANT THAT FOR ASIAN WOMEN LIVING IN TORONTO.
I ASKED THE CITY TO CONSULT WITH HOLISTIC CENTRES AND
PRACTITIONERS BEFORE RE REMOVING THE REQUIREMENTS.
I ASKED FOR THE CITY TO ENSURE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELL BEING
AND LABOR RIGHTS OF WORKERS IN HOLISTIC CENTERS.
IN ESSENCE I ASKED FOR THE CITY TO SUPPORT THE AMENDMENTS TO
THE MUNICIPAL LICENSEING AND STANDARD STANDARDS
RECOMMENDATIONS PROPOSED BY COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM ON MAY 17.
THIS INCLUDES THE LABOR RIGHTS IN PRINCIPLE AND WITH CONSUL
CONSULTATION WITH THE WORKERS. THANK YOU.
>>[ APPLAUSE ]
>>JUST TO REMIND, EVERYBODY NO CLAPPING.
IF YOU WANT TO GO LIKE THIS I’M GOOD WITH THAT BUT NO CLAPPING.
ANY QUESTIONS OF DEPUTANT?>>ANY QUESTIONS?
SEEING NONE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH .
NEXT DEPUTANT ON THE LIST I’M GOING BACK TO BIXY LUI.
I SKIPPED OVER YOUR NAME. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES WHENEVER
YOU ARE READY.>>>>ANISM FROM THE CUSTOMER
PERSPECTIVE OF A HOLISTIC MASSAGE OR FOOT MASSAGE, ALSO
I’M A GREAT BELIEVER IN WORKERS RIGHTS AND WORKING PEOPLE THAT
THEY DESERVE SAFE WORK PLACE AND DECENT PAY.
SO THAT’S WHY I’M HERE TODAY. SO I REMEMBER JUST BACK MANY,
QUITE A FEW YEARS BACK. I WORK IN A PRECARIOUS JOBS AND
I WAS LIKE A — DON’T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY AT THAT TIME.
I WAS STRUGGLEING TO SURVIVOR BUT I ALSO HAVE HEALTH NEEDS TO
NEED MASSAGE. SO I WENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD
THERE’S A FOOT REFLEXOLOGY PROVIDERS, IS THE FOOT MASSAGE
AND SO GIVE THEM A TRY .
SO FEMALE REFLEXOLOGIST, SO SHE PROVIDE FEET MASSAGE FOR ME AND
AFTER A COUPLE OF TIMES IT IMPROVED.
I SLEEP MUCH BETTER OF THE NIGHT NIGHT.
I THINK IT REALLY HELPED ME. TODAY I HEARD A LOT OF BACK AND
FORTH TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WOR WORKERS, EXPLOITATION AND
HUMAN TRAFFICKING, I KIND OF FEEL LIKE HOW DOES — HOW THESE
TWO CONNECT. I DON’T THINK THEY ARE SCENS
EACH OTHER BUT IT’S KIND OF STRANGE FOR ME.
IT’S HERE SO I WANT TO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE AS CUSTOMER.
AS SOMEBODY USEDD THAT SERVICE. I THINK IT’S NEEDED IN THE
COMMUNITY. THE GOOD PRICE, MUCH BETTER
THAN WHICH I COULDN’T AFFORD.
I WANT TO MAKE THE POINT. I HAVE A FEW TIME.
I WANT TO ADDRESS ONE THING WHICH IS ALSO A HAPPENED
EARLIER AT THIS HEARING. IFROM THE COUNCILLOR JIM
KARYGIANNIS. I APOLOGY IF I PRONOUNCED IT
CORRECTLY. YOU HAVE A DIEG DIALOGUE WITH
ANNA WILLATS.>>SIR, YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS
YOUR REMARKS TO ME. I WILL SAY SINCE YOU SUGGEST
THAT HOLISTIC PRACTITIONER DON’T PAY TAXES IF MY
UNDERSTANDING IS RIGHT. YOU SUGGEST, IF MY
UNDERSTANDING WAS RIGHT I WOULD SAY BECAUSE AS A CITY COUNCIL
CITY COUNCILLOR YOU REPRESENT THE GOVERNMENT AND HOLD
POSITION POWER YOU HAVE THAT POSITION.
>>YOUR THREE MINUTES. I NEED YOU TO WRAP UP PLEASE
AND ADDRESS COMMENTS TO ME. BUT NOT MEMBERS OF COMMITTEE.
>>OKAY. COUNCILLOR AINSLIE, SO JUST
EARLIER ONE OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS SAID THAT I FOUND ITS
IS IRRESPONSIBLE IF MY UNDERSTANDING WAS IET I’M NOT
QUITE SURE. ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE.
IF MY UNDERSTANDING WAS WRONG I’LL TAKE IT BACK BUT AS A
COMMITTEE MEMBER MAKE THAT STATEMENT YOU SHOULD HAVE
EVIDENCE OTHERWISE THEY SHOULDN’T SAY THAT.
IF MY UNDERSTANDING IS RIGHT I DON’T HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT YOU
ARE A MEMBER IN THIS COMMITTEE SUCH IMPORTANT RELATED TO SO
MANY PEOPLE’S LIVELIHOOD AND MAKE FAIRNESS.
>>I NEED TO YOU WRAP UP. AND MAKE A FAIR DECISION THIS
PROCESS.>>THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS OF THE DEPUTANT?>>COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM?
NOPE. COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY?
>>THANK YOU. ARE YOU A PRACTITIONER — YOU
MENTIONED YOU WENT TO A REFLEX REFLEXOLOGIST.
>>I’M NOT A PRACTITIONER.>>YOU WERE A CUSTOMER.
>>YES.>>GOOD.
HERE IS MY QUESTION FOR YOU. DO YOU THINK AS A CUSTOMER YOU
WOULD REFER TO HAVE THE REFLEX REFLEXOLOGIST HAVE A LOI SENSE
FROM THE CITY OR HAVE NO LICENSE AND WOULD YOU PREFER
THAT THE RE REFLEXOLOGIST FLEXOLOGIST
BE A MEMBER OF AN ASSOCIATION, LIKE A PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION
OR UNREGULATED?>>YOU KNOW, I DON’T REALLY
HAVE — KNOW MUCH ABOUT THIS? I WANT FROM A CUSTOMER
PERSPECTIVE SAY I HAD GOOD SERVICE.
IT HELPED AMERICA I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP THAT AND LET PEOPLE
HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK, TO MAKE A
LIVING FOR THEMSELVES AND HELP PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO NEED HELP.
>>OKAY.>>IF YOU HAD BAD SERVICE OR
YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU DIDN’T TRUST, WHO DO YOU THINK SHOULD
MANAGE THAT PROBLEM?>>SORRY CAN YOU REPEAT?
>>IF YOU HAD BAD SERVICE, THEY SAY THEY HURT YOU.
WHO SHOULD MANAGE THE PROBLEM?>>I WISH THEY HAVE SOME SORT
OF BODY WHERE I COULD ADDRESS ISSUE ISSUES OR COMPLAIN
SOMEWHERE.>>ALL RIGHT.
THAT WOULD BE AN ASSOCIATION OR MAYBE THE CITY?
>>YEAH.>>OKAY.
THANK YOU. THAT’S VERY HELPFUL.
>>HANK YOU COUNCILLOR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS.>>THANK YOU, SIR.
LAST TIME YOU WERE TO THIS CLINIC WHEN WAS THAT, BODY RUB
OR FOOT MASSAGE.>>CAN YOU REPEAT.
>>WHAT WAS THE LAST TIME YOU WENT TO ONE OF THESE ESTABLISH
ESTABLISHMENTS?>>I LAST TIME I USE, THE
EXPERIENCE I’M JUST SHARING WITH YOU IS 2012.
>>HOW DID YOU PAY CASH?>>PAID CASH.
>>DID YOU GET A RECEIPT?>>NO I DIDN’T .
>>THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF DEPUTANT.>>SEEING NONE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>NEXT DEPUTY ON THE LIST IS R
RUPALEEM BHUYAN , FACTOR INWENTAS
INWENTASH FACULTY OF SOCIAL WORK UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO.
SHE HAD TO LEAVE? THANK YOU.
NEXT I HAVE GITANJALI LENA SPRING TIDE RESOURCES AND RIGHTS
EVER NONSTATUS WOMEN NETWORK. MY APOLOGIES IF I MISPRONOUNCED
YOURSELF.>>THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT
AND THANK YOU COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR SITTING THROUGH THIS.
I’M GOT TO TRY NOT TO PREET A LOT OF WHAT OTHERS SAID.
THERE’S BEEN A LOT OF GREAT POINTS MADE.
SINCE 2007 I’M BEFORE A MEMBER OF LAW SOCIETY OF UPPER CANADA
AND LAW SOCIETY OF ONTARIO AND I PRACTICED FOR EIGHT YEARS IN
CRIMINAL DEFENSE, IMMIGRATION AND HUMAN RIGHTS LAW.
DURING THAT PERIOD, I SERVED A NUMBER OF CLIENTS WHO ARE WOMEN
WHOSE HUMAN RIGHTS WERE VIOLATED BUT THEY FOUND
THEMSELVES FACING DEPORTATION PROCEEDING AS A RESULT OF THEIR
EMPLOYMENT OR THEIR STATUS BEING CRIMINALIZED.
NOW I WORK AS A PROGRAM MANAGER AT SPRING TIDE RESOURCES WHICH
IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT FOR 41 YEARS NOW HAS BEEN WORKING TO
PREVENT VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN AND GIRLS AND ALSO TO PROVIDE
TRAINING AND RESOURCES ACROSS THE GIRLFRIENDER BASED VIOLENCE
SECTOR PEOPLE WHO WORK WITH SURVIVORS OF VIOLENCE.
AND SO I COME HERE TO YOU TO DISCUSS THE STAFF REPORT AND
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT FOR THE BY-LAWS WITH REGARDS TO
HOLISTIC CENTRES AND BODY RUB PARLORS.
MY OPINIONS AND REMARKS TODAY ARE BASED ON MY REVIEW OF AUDIT
AUDITOR GENERAL’S REPORT, THE STAFF REPORT, A FACT SHEET ON
HOLISTIC CENTRES IN TORONTO PRODUCED BY BUTTERFLY AND IN
DISCUSSION WITH A NUMBER OF CULTURAL SENSITIVE SERVICE
PROVIDERS WHO WORK WITH WORKERS AT HOLISTIC CENTERS AND BODY
RUB PARLOR SUCH AS THE CHINESE AND SOUTHEAST ASIAN LEGAL
CLINIC HERE IN TORONTO. THE SOUTH ASIAN LEGAL CLINIC OF
ONTARIO, BUTTERFLY AND FCJ REVENUE GEE HOUSE TO NAME A FEW.
MANY OF THE WORK I WORK WITH AT SPRINGTIDE RESOURCES EXPERIENCE
A NUMBER OF SERIOUS STRUCTURAL BARRIERS TO EMPLOYMENT.
THESE ARE NEW COMER WOMEN. IT MAY BE RACISM FROM EMPLOYERS.
IT MAY BE LANGUAGE BARRIERS. IT MAY BE IMMIGRATION STATUS
REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY DON’T HAVE OR IT MAY BE THE CANADIAN
REJECTION OF THEIR EXISTING PROFESSIONAL QUALIFICATIONS.
AS A RESULT, YOU FIND A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF RACIALIZED
IMMIGRANT WOMEN IN — WORKING IN HOLISTIC CENTRES AND BODY
RUB PARLORS AND AT SPRINGTIME WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS A VERY,
VERY IMPORTANT EMPLOYMENT WORK PLACE AND OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE
WOMEN TO MAKE A LIVING FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES
AND ALSO THROUGH WHICH THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THE CITY’S
ECONOMY. IN CONSIDERING AMENDING BY-LAWS
THAT REGULATE THE SECTOR OR CHANGE THE REGULATION OF THIS
SECTOR, I EMPHASIZE THAT CITY COUNCILLORS MUST ENSURE THAT
THE LABOR RIGHTS AND SAFETY IETS ARE CONSIDERED.
>>WRAP UP, PLEASE.>>I WANT TO SUPPORT BETTER
TRAINING FOR MUNICIPAL LICENSE ING OFFICERS, MEANINGFUL
CONSULT CONSULTATION WITH WORKER S
THEMSELVES ADDRESSING THE DRIM STATION IN THE WORKERS FACE AND
BODY RUB PARLORS AND CONSIDERING THE TWO LICENSEING
STRUCTURES IN AND I WANT TO
SUPPORT THE AMENDMENTS BROUGHT FORWARD BY COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM,
QUESTIONS OF DEPUTANT. COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM?
>>YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THROUGH YOU, MR. CHAIR, WITH
RESPECT TO YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT MARGINALIZED POPULATIONS THAT
DON’T SPEAK ENGLISH OR NEW WOMA WOMANNERS THERE’S VERY
LITTLE IN THE REPORT. THAT SPEAKS TO THE CULTURAL
LING QUISK CHALLENGES. I SAW ONE LINE.
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT PERHAPS WE DID NOT LOOK AT THE PROGRAM
HOLISTICALLY IN A WAY THAT — HOLISTICALLY IN A WAY —
HOLISTICALLY AND THE IMPACT OF CERTAIN POPULATIONS ABOVE
ORIGINALS SHALL TO THE EX EXCONCLUSION OF OTHERS I SHOULD
SAY.>>I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT.
IT’S CERTAIN DEMOGRAPHICS ARE DISPROPORTION YACHTLY AFFECTED
BY THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT CHANG CHANGES AND BY ANY KIND
OF WORK PLACES THAT ARE SMALL AND WHERE LEGISLATION AND
REGULATION IS CHANGING AND WHERE THERE’S ELEMENTS OF
ISOLATION AND THE DEMOGRAPHIC GROUP IS ISOLATED.
I THINK THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO CONSIDER THE IMPACT OF ANY
CHANGES IN A WAY THAT LOOKS AT RACIALIZEED WOMEN.
>>BUT THIS REPORT DOES NOT DO THAT IN ITS CURRENT FORM YET,
CORRECT?>>YES.
>>SO THE IMPACT ON THE BUSINESSES OWNED, THE IMPACT OF
THIS REPORT IS ON IMMIGRANT OWNED BUSINESSES, CORRECT?
>>YES.>>AND THE IMPACT OF THIS
REPORT IS ON MOSTLY ASIAN WOMEN WORKERS WORKERS, IS THAT
CORRECT?>>YES.
>>AND YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT PUTTING A HUMAN RIGHTS APPROACH
OVER THE REPORT IS IT YOUR OPINION, BECAUSE YOU ARE A
SOLICITOR, YOU SPECIALIZE IN HUMAN RIGHTS LAW THAT THAT
PARTICULAR COMPONENT IS STILL MISSING?
>>YES.>>SO ANY FURTHER WORK AND ANY
FURTHER ACTIONS AFTER THIS COME OF THIS REPORT IS IT IMPORTANT
TO CENTER THE EXPERIENCE AND THE IMPACT OF THE ACTUAL PEOPLE
WHO ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED? SO THEY SHOULD BE PART OF
CONSULTATION?>>ABSOLUTELY.
I’M AFFIRMING WHAT MANY OF THE OTHER DEPP PANT DEPUTANTS,
ESPECIALLY THE SPEAKER FROM BUTTERFLY SAID, IT’S CRITICAL
TO HEAR THE VOICES OF THOSE WORKERS AND IN HEARING THEM
MAKE SURE THAT AS YOU ARE DOING THOSE CONSULTATIONS YOU HAVE
THE MECHANISMS THAT MAKE IT EASY FOR THEM TO — EASY AND
SAFE FOR HOME IT SPEAK THEIR TRUTH.
>>WITH RESPECT TO PURCHASES, ALL THE — WHEN YOU LEAVE A
BUSINESS DO YOU WALK OUT WITH A RECEIPT ALL THE TIME?
NO. WHEN YOU GOT YOUR HAIRCUT WERE
YOU ASKED FOR A RECEIPT IF YOU DIDN’T ASK FOR ONE?
>>NO.>>COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS.
I SAW YOUR HAND, QUESTIONS?>>EXCUSE ME.
>>SORRY COUNCILLOR KARANIS HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU.
>>THANK YOU.>>I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE A
LAWYER?>>YES, I AM.
>>YOU ARE A PRACTICING LAWYER.>>I AM NOT PRACTICING.
I’M A MEMBER OF LAW SOCIETY OF ONTARIO.
>>IF YOU WERE PRACTICEING LAW WOULD YOU BE CHARGEING TAXES
FOR YOUR SERVICES.>>IF I WAS MAKING OVER A
CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY I WOULD BE REQUIRED TO CHARGE HST.
>>OVER 30,000 YOU HAVE TO REQUIRE —
>>I BELIEVE THAT’S CORRECT.>>AND IF YOU DIDN’T CHARGE —
>>SORRY COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS. SORRY, COUNCILLOR, YOU ARE
SUPPOSED TO BE ASKING CLARIFICATIONS ON MY DEPPRATION
DERATION YOUR PRESENTATION NOW HOW SHE MAKES HER INCOME.
>>THAT’S NOT THE SAME RULE YOU USED ON MY COLLEAGUE THERE.
I’M.>>ASK ASKING TO YOU MAKE
QUESTIONS OF CLARIFICATION ON THE PRESENTATION.
>>YOU SHOULD USE THE SAME RULE FOR ALL OF US.
>>THANK YOU.>>DO YOU EXPECT THAT THE FOLKS
USING THE SERVICES SHOULD BE PAYING TAXES AND CHARGED TAXES.
>> I’M NOT AN EXPERT ON TAX LAW I
WOULD THINK HST WOULD BE CHARGED .
IT’S NOT MY SPECIALTY.>>THANK YOU.
I GOT YOU .
>>GOOD COUNCILLOR.>>ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON MY
DEPPRATION .
>>I’M GOING TO GO BACK. I’M GOING BACK TO THE LIST OF
DEPUTANTS. LESS YOO LI I BELIEVE IS HERE
NOW. LISA LI? I’M TRYING TO RUN A MEETING,
COUNCILLOR, THANK YOU FOR THE INPUT. NEXT UP .
LOOKING FOR JENNY DUFFY.>>SORRY.
>>I’M THE INTERPRETER.>>AND YOU ARE .
I THINK YOUING FOR YOLT HIS NAME EARLIER.
SUAN .
YUEN.>>SUAN YUEN YUAN.
>>I WAS TOLD YOU WERE REPLACED BY BY.
Y LIU WHO WE HEARD FROM.>>SORRY HE IS REPRESENTING
LISA LI .
>>WHO ARE YOU REPRESENTING.>>I’M THER IN THEER HE IS
REPRESENTING LISA LI.>>I UNDERSTAND.
OKAY. SO YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES
WHENEVER YOU ARE READY.>>CAN YOU DOUBLE THE TIME
BECAUSE OF FOR THE INTERPRETATION.
>>SORRY I’M NOT ALLOWED TO.>>IT’S TO BE FAIR BECAUSE HE
NEEDS INTERPRETATION SERVICES.>>HE WILL SPEAK FOR THREE
MINUTES AND I’LL INTERPRET ANOTHER THREE MINUTES.
THE CLERK TOLD ME I CANNOT EXTEND THE TIME .
>>I’M HOLISTIC LICENSED WORKER .
MUCH OF THE TIME EARLIER WAS DISCUSSED ABOUT HUMAN
TRAFFICKING .
–>>IF THERE’S LIKE TRAFFICKING
GOING ON IN MOST OF THE CENTRES THERE WOULD BE NO POINT IN
CANCELING THE LICENSE .
YOU SHOULD INCREASE THE PUNIS PUNISHMENTS IF YOU ARE
CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFICKING IN THE ENTERTAINMENT SECTOR .
[SPEAKING NATIVE LANGUAGE AND WILL BE INTERPRETED]
>>THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF WRITTEN DOCUMENT JUST IN TERMS
OF SAYING THAT PEOPLE ARE — SHOULD BE ABLE TO WORK EVEN
AFTER THE LICENSE HAS BEEN CANCELED MASSAGE PARLOR SAY
COMMON PLACE BUSINESS FOR THE — FOR PEOPLE JUST LIKE A
RESTAURANT JUST LIKE THE BARBERSHOP .
LIKE YOU GUYS ARE DOING HERE. THERE’S NOTHING TO HIGH .
>>WE SHOULDN’T BE INFLUENCED ABOUT I ANY PEOPLE’S PERSONAL
PERSPECTIVE ABOUT THE SECTOR .
THIS IS ALL I NEED TO SAY. I HOPE THAT HE WILL QUESTION ME .
[ APPLAUSE ] HE REALLY TRIED TO SHORTEN WHAT
HE NEEDS TO SAY.>>THANK YOU .
>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DID YOU SAY THAT YOU WERE
LICENSED WORKER? AT A HOLISTIC CENTRE?
>>YES.>>SO YOU ACTUALLY DO NOT OWN
THE CENTRE, YOU WORK IN THE CENTRE?>>YES.
>>HE’S A PARTIAL WORKER AND OWNER.
>>SO IT’S ALMOST LIKE A WORKER WORKER’S CO-YOP CO-OP.
YOU WORK AND PARTICIPATE IN THE CENTRE’S OWNERSHIP.
>>YEAH. HE WORKS THERE AND ALSO OWNS IT.
>>HOW MANY OF THE WORKERS AT THE CENTRE INCLUDING — I KNOW
THAT ENGLISH IS YOUR SECOND LAKE LANGUAGE.
OUT OF NUMBER OF WORKERS IN THE CENTER WHERE — CENTRE WHERE
YOU ARE EMPLOYED, HOW MANY OF THEM SPEAK FLUENT ENGLISH OR
ARE MOST OF THEM ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE SPEAKER?>>ONLY ONE OR TWO EMPLOYEES
CAN SPEAK ENGLISH. EVEN IF THEY SPEAK THEY DON’T
SPEAK FLEWENT FLE FLUENTLY.>>THROUGHOUT THIS CONSULTATION
PROCESS OF ENGAGEING IN THE CITY AND PROCESS TO EVALUATE
THE PROGRAMS AND SERVICES, HAS IT BEEN EASY FOR YOU TO
COMMUNICATE WITHOUT AN SNERPT WE ARE — CENTER INTERPRETER
WITHOUT THE STAFF OR EVEN THE WORKERS THAT WORK THROUGH THE
DOOR .
>>HE SAID IT’S BEEN IMPROVED OVER TIME BECAUSE OF THE
CONSUL CONSULTATION AND AFTER THEY PROVIDEIFIEDBACK TO THE —
PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THE EMPLOYEE EMPLOYEES.
>>SO THAT THE CITY HAS GOTTEN BETTER AT COMMUNICATING WITH
THE SECTOR .
>>THANK YOU. IF THIS VERY NICE YOUNG WOMAN
WAS NOT WITH YOU TODAY TO ACT AS I TRANSLATEOR, HOW WOULD YOU
HAVE GIVEN US YOUR DEPPRATION DEP DEPP DEPUTATION?
>>I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
>>AND ARE THERE ANY INDIVIDUAL WORKERS AND EVEN HOLISTIC
CENTRE OWNERS WHO MAY BE IN YOUR SAME SITUATION IF THEY
DIDN’T HAVE THEIR OWN TRANSLATE OR,
INTERPRE INTERPRETER, THAT PERHAPS THEIR VOICES MAY NOT
HAVE BEEN HEARD TODAY?>>HE SAID HE NEEDS TO PROVIDE
PEOPLE TO HELP THEM.>>YOU WOULD PROVIDE YOUR OWN
TRANSLATEOR EVERY GIVEN TIME.>>THANK.
>>THANK YOU.>>ANY QUESTIONS OF DEPUTANT
FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS?>>I WELCOME QUESTIONS.
>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU YOU .
>>I HAVE ALL THE THINGS I WANT TO SAY AND I THOUGHT A FEW
QUESTIONS WERE ABLE TO EXPRESS EXPRESS —
>>WE’RE THE ONES THAT DECIDE TO ASK QUESTIONS AND WE DON’T
HAVE ANY SO WE RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO STEP DOWN.
THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU.
>>NEXT ON THE LIST I HAVE GENERAL JENNY DUFFY FROM MAGGIE
‘S TORONTO SEX WORKERS ACTION
PROJECT .
>>YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES WHENEVER YOU ARE READY.
>>THANK YOU. THANK YOU CITY COUNCILLORS,
THANK YOU CITY STAFF WORKING HARD ON THIS WHOLE BY-LAW
REVIEW REVIEW. ANY NAME IS JENNY DUFFY.
I’M FROM MAGGIE’S TORONTO SEX WORKERS A PROJECT.
FOR THOSE NOT FAMILIAR WITH MAGGIE’S WE’RE THE OLDEST SEX
WORKER RUN ORGANIZATION IN CANADA.
MAGGIE’S FOCUSES ON THE DIGNITY OF SEX WORKERS THROUGH HARM
REDUCTION AND PUBLIC VOKE SIX I RECOGNIZE THAT WE’RE NOT HERE
TO TALK ABOUT SEX WORK BUT ON BEHALF OF MAGGIE’S I WANT TO
EXPRESS THE SUPPORT AND THE SAFETY OF WORKERS NO MATTER
WHAT KIND OF WORK THEY ARE DOING.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MLS STAFF THEY ARE NOT MAKING ANY
DEFINITIVE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE REPORT RIGHT NOW BUT THEY
ARE SEEKING DIRECTION TO CONTINUE EXPLORING THE
RECOMMENDATIONS. THEY SHOULD BE PERMITTED TO DO
SO. THIS SHOULD BE DONE IN CONSULT
CONSULTATION CONSULTATION WITH WORKERS AND WITH THE AIM TO EN
SURE LABOR RIGHTS, HEALTH, SAFETY
AND WELL BEING OF WORKERS CONSUMER AS WELL AS WORKER
PROTECTION AND THE WELL BEING OF THE CITY OF TORONTO.
THE WORKERS OF BODY RUB PARLORS AND HOLISTIC CENTRES ARE THE
PRIMARY STAKEHOLDERS. AS ANY BALLISTIC MISSILE
AMENDMENTS WILL IMPACT THEM THE MOST.
MANY WORKERS ESPECIALLY IMMIGRANTS WHO EXPERIENCE MORE
DIFFICULTY FINDING EMPLOYMENT AS WE’VE DISCUSSED DUE TO
LANGUAGE BARRIERS, UNRECOGNIZED CREDENTIALS THEY’VE EVERY
REASON ABOUT MAINTAINING ACCESS TO WORK AND ANY NEW REGULATIONS
ARE GOING TO ENHANCE USAIR SAFETY RIGHT HAND GOING TO MAKE
THEM FEEL RESPECTED AND WORTHY. THE WELL BEING AND RIGHTS OF
THESE WORKERS SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED AND THE NEXT STEPS
OF THIS REVIEW. AS WE’VE DISCUSSED THIS IS A
VERY COMPLEX SECTOR .
A LOT OF WORKERS DON’T HAVE ENGLISH AS THEIR FIRST LANGUAGE.
CONSULTATIONS SHOULD BE CAREFUL AND DELIBERATE AND SHOULD BE
CENTERED ON THE EXPERIENCES AND VOICES OF THESE WORKERS.
AS I SAID BEFORE, THERE SHOULD BE A LABOR RIGHTS PERSPECTIVE
THAT IS TAKEN. CERTAINLY, IF THIS BY-LAW REVIEW
IS BEING CARRIED OUT WITH AN ANTI-TRAFFICKING LENS, THERE
SHOULD BE EVERY EFFORT THEN TO ENHANCE LABOR RYES AND ENHANCE
LACK STOAS WORK. BECAUSE IT’S VERY IT’S CLEAR
THAT WHEN WORKING CONDITIONS ARE NOT SAFE, WHEN PEOPLE
BECOME UNEMPLOYED, ESPECIALLY MARGINA MARGINALIZED
POPULATIONS, THEY BECOME MORE VULNERABLE TO TRAFFICKING.
I’LL END BY SAYING ON BEHALF OF MAGGIE’S I SUPPORT THE MOTION
SENT BY COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM.>>THANK YOU.
>>THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OF DEPUTANT
OUTSIDE COUNTORS? COMMITTEE?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU,
HOWEVER. CAN YOU TELL ME, PLEASE, WHAT
MOTION YOU ARE REFERRING TO BY COUNCILLOR TAM.
>>THE ONE THAT COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM SUBMITTED ON MAY 17.
>>THANK YOU. DONGME LIANG, ONTARIO HOLISTIC
ASSOCIATION .
WHENEVER YOU ARE READY, THREE MINUTES.
THANK YOU.>>HI, EVERYBODY .
[INTERPRETED] I’M PROFESSIONAL HOLISTIC LICENSED PRACTITIONER.
I I HAVE BEEN WORKING IN MY COMMUNITY IN THE SAME LOCATION
FOR 15 YEARS. I RELY THIS LICENSE TO MAKE MY
LIVING .
FOR SO MANY YEARS RELYING ON MY PROFESSIONAL MASSAGE SKILL I
EARNED THE REPUTATION FROM MY CUSTOMER , MY FROM MY COMMUNITY
AND I GET A GOOD FEEDBACK .
SO I LIVE IN MY SAME LIFE IN THE SAME LOCATION, SAME
COMMUNITY FOR 15 YEARS. NOW I HEARD THE GOVERNMENT IS
PROPOSEING REMOVE THE LICENSE THAT I RERYE ON MAKING MY
LIVING .
BUT MY AGE IS OVER 50 YEARS OLD .
THAT’S MY ONLY PROFESSIONAL ZOIL MAKE MY LIVING .
I CANNOT IMAGINE AFTER LOSING THE LICENSE WHAT WILL MY LIFE
BE .
IF THE LICENSE IS REMOVED, THAT WILL DIRECTLY DESTROY MY LIFE .
IN MY INDUSTRY MANY PRACTITIONER ARE IN MY
SITUATION .
THE GOAL IS TO IMPROVE THE LIVES OF PEOPLE. IF THE GOVERNMENT TAKES AWAY
THE LICENSE AND THAT WILL IMMEDIATELY AFFECT THE LIFE OF
2 2200 FAMILIES .
I WANT TO ASK REQUEST GOOD WHY THE GOVERNMENT IS EVEN PROPOSE
ING SUCH A MOVE .
WE DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS. THANK YOU.
>>ANY QUESTIONS FROM OWDZ COUNSELORS?
QUESTIONS? COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY?>>THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING TO US.
SO I UNDERSTAND YOU PREFER TO R REMAIN AS A LICENSED
HOLISTIC PRACTITIONER ?
>>YES.>>DO YOU HAVE A GOVERNING BODY?
THAT OVERSEES THE WORK THAT YOU DO AND DO YOU SEE A ROLE FOR
THAT GOVERNING BODY, BESIDES THE GOVERN, LIKE AN OH,.
>>LIKE MLS? ASSOCIATION OR MLS?
>>ASSOCIATION.>>>>FOR SO MANY YEARS WE’RE
SUPERVIEDZ BY THE MLS AND WE FIND IT VERY COOPERATEIVE.
>>WHOSE ROLE IS IT THAT YOU FEEL TO OVERSEE THE OPERATIONS
OF HOLISTIC PRACTITIONERS, PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION OR BY-LAW ENFORCEMENT? I THINK BOTH HAVE THEIR
IMPORTANCE. A PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION WILL
HELP US AND GIVE US THE TRAINING THAT WE NEED TO DO THE
JOB. BUT THE MLS ARE GIVING US THE
GOVERNMENT SUP VISION TO ENSURE THAT THE CENTRE ARE HEALTHY AND
SAFE.>>LAST QUESTION, DO YOU
REMEMBER THE PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION SHOULD EJECT
MEMBERS WHO ARE DOING THINGS NOT PERMTD SUCH AS BODY RUBBING .
>>IN MY CASE, I NEVER VIOLATED SO I DID NOT KNOW THE OTHERS.
BUT I NEVER HEARD THAT SUCH THINGS HAPPEN THAT EJECTING
MEMBERS IN THE ASSOCIATION.>>SHOULD MLS CANCEL THE
LICENSE OF A HOLISTIC PRACTITIONER IS PERFORMING
SERVICES THAT THEY ARE NOT PERMITTED TO DO LIKE BODY
RUBBING? BEFORE WE GO TO CANCELING THE
LICENSE THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD HAVE MORE COMMUNICATION IN THE
LANGUAGE THEY UNDERSTAND AND EDUCATION PROCESS AND FINALLY
THEY STILL MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE MISTAKE, YES.
YOU SHOULD CANCEL THE LICENSE AFTER THIS VIOLATOR.
>>THANK YOU .
OTHER QUESTIONS?>>THANK YOU FOR COMING.
>>I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD TELL ME WHERE YOUR ESTABLISHMENT
IS IN SCARBOROUGH OR NORTH YORK?
>>WHERE IS IT LOCATED?>>>>THE ESTABLISHMENT ITSELF.
I DON’T THINK ANYBODY TALKS ABOUT TAKING AWAY LICENSES.
I DON’T THINK THE REPORT TALKS ABOUT TAKING AWAY LICENSEING.
IF SHE’S TALKING ABOUT LICENSE ING TAKE AWAY WHERE DID YOU
READ THIS?>>LOOK AT THE REPORT IN THE
SECOND PAGE. THE GOVERNMENT IS SUPPOSED TO
REMOVE THE HOLISTIC LICENSE .
AND INCREASE A NUMBER OF BODY RUB ESTABLISHMENTS .
REVIEW A PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION?
>>YES.>>>>IT’S 15 YEARS AGO.
CAN I FIND OUT.>>WHAT O IS SHE LISTED UNDER?
>>ORGANIZATION OR ASSOCIATION? PROFESSIONAL HAVE ASSOCIATION.
>>SO IS SHE A MEMBER OF A PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION OR
ASSOCIATION? RIGHT NOW SHE’S A MEMBER OF
ONTARIO HOLISTIC ASSOCIATION.>>THE MEMBERS, THE WHOLE THING.
THEY ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF US RE REMOVING HOLISTIC CENTRE
LICENSE LICENSES?>>YES, YES .
OTHER YESES? SEEING NONE.
THE NEXT DEPUTY IS LI JUN WANG OF ON NARROW HOLISTIC
ASSOCIATION.>>YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES
WHENEVER YOU ARE READY. YOU ARE INTERPRETING?
>>YES I’M INTERPRETING.>>BECAUSE THE BACKYARD
BACKGROUNDS ARE NOTICE SCA NAIDAN .
THAT’S WHY PART OF COMMISSIONER HAVE A COMMUNICATION PROBLEM
WITH THE MLS BECAUSE OF MISUNDERSTANDING MAKE THE
BY-LAW MORE ACCESSIBLE AND CLEAR TO US.
AND IMPROVE THE WAY OF INSPECTION .
WHEN THEY DISCOVER THE PROBLEM, THEY SUGGEST AND RECOMMEND HOW
TO CORRECT IT. THEY DO ALL THEIR DILIGENT
DUTIES .
ALSO THEY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AND PROVIDE
CHINESE TRANSLATION TO THE PETITIONERS .
THEY GAINED THE RESPECT OF THE PRACTITIONER BECAUSE OF SUPER
SUPERVISION BY THE MLS. AND ALSO THE TRAINING FROM THE
ASSOCIATION .
MIDWESTMOST OF THE PETITIONERS TRY TO FOLLOW THE RULES AND
REGULATIONS OF MLS .
AND THEY 3U9 THE HOLE HOLISTIC INDUSTRY ON THE RIGHT PRACTICE.
AND EVERY YEAR THEY HAVE TO RE RENEW THEIR LICENSE.
AND THEY KEEP THE ONE THAT FOLLOWED THE REGULATIONS .
THEY ELIMINATE THE VIOLATIONS. THIS COULD ENSURE THAT, YOU
KNOW KNOW, THE HEALTHY DEVELOPMENT OF THE INDUSTRY.
BECAUSE OF A PERIODIC INSPECTION .
BASICALLY THEY ELIMINATE THE OPPORTUNITY OR CHANCES OF HUMAN
TRAFFICKING .
SO TO CONCLUDE, UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE MLS, TO KEEP
THE LICENSE. AND WE CAN IMPROVE THE ENFORCE
ENFORCEMENT. AND HOUR INDUSTRY WILL BE
DEVELOPING ON THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND THE MARKET WILL
GO BY A GOOD CIRCLE, YOU KNOW FROM THE CUSTOMER SIDE AND PET
PETITIONER PETITIONER’S SIDE .
THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
QUESTIONS OF DEPUTANT? SEEING NONE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>THANK YOU SO MUCH. PLAWD.
>> — [APPLAUSE]>>THE NEXT DEPUTANT LISTED IS
KAY WANG OF THE ONTARIO HOL HOLISTIC ASSOCIATION. GOOD AFTERNOON BERVE THE
SUGGESTION OF REMOVING THE HOLISTIC LICENSE, WE HAVE THE
FOLLOWING WORRIES AND QUESTIONS: PLEASE CONSIDER: IN THE
REPORT MOST OF THE COVERAGE IS ABOUT HOW TO IMPROVE THE WORK
OF BODY RUB INDUSTRY .
BUT ONLY SPEND VERY LITTLE COVERAGE TO COVER HOLISTIC
INDUSTRY . CURRENTLY WE HAVE 400 HOLISTIC
CENTRES AND ABOUT OVER 2000 HOLISTIC PETITIONERS WORKING
UNDER THE SUPERVISION AND ENFORCEMENT OF THE LOS AND THE
POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO IF THE GOVERNMENT WERE TO DO
SO, SHOULD THE GOVERNMENT CONSIDER THE FUTURE, THE NEXT
JOB FOR THESE PARTICIPANTS. IN THE REPORT, IT RECOMMEND WE
MAY CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR LICENSE .
BUT THAT WILL BE ABOUT WHAT WILL BE THE NEW STANDARDS, WHAT
WILL THE SUPERVISION WITHOUT A LICENSE.
THEY DIDN’T MENTION AT ALL. THIS MAKE US VERY PUZZLED AND
WORRIED. WE GET OUR LICENSE THROUGH THE
MLS .
BECAUSE OF THAT SCREENING BASICALLY IT ELIMINATE ANY
CHANCES OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING. IF THE LICENSE WERE REMOVED, WE
LOSE THAT KIND OF SCREENING. OKAY?
IT WOULD BE VERY HARD FOR THE OWNERS TO SCREEN, YOU KNOW THE
PETITIONER WE WANT TO HIRE .
THEY WOULD NOT TAKE THE RISK TO HIRE MORE PETITIONER AND MOST
WOULD LOSE THEIR JOB. BECAUSE OF LOSS OF THE PRISONER
PRISONER’S OWNERS AND THE USE TO HIRE WORKERS.
THAT’S THE ONLY PUSH THE CURRENT OWNERS TO UNDERGROUND
OR RESIDENTIAL AREAS. WE CANNOT GUARANTEE THE SAFETY .
HARASSMENT, CRIMES WILL OCCUR VERY FREQUENTLY .
AT THE SAME TIME A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH THEIR LEGAL WORKING
STATUS, YOU KNOW, AND WITH THOSE SKILLS, THEY’LL COME TO
THIS INDUSTRY AND CROSSING — CAUSING GREATER PROBLEMS FOR
THE UNLICENSED HOL HOLISTIC INDUSTRY .
IF THE GOVERNMENT REMOVE THE LICENSE OF THOSE, WE HOPE THE
GOVERNMENT WILL CONSIDER .
THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OF DEPUTANT?
SEEING NONE. THANK YOU FOR COMING IN THIS
AFTERNOON.>>THANK YOU.
NEXT ON THE LIST I HAVE WENCHAO
ZHU OF THE HOLE LISK ASSOCIATION .
I SAW THE REPORT FROM THE GOVERNMENT TO PROPOSE TO REMOVE
THE HOLEISTIC LICENSE AND MAIN REASONS IS HUMAN TRAFFICKING .
I STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH. THAT I’M A MANAGEMENT OF A
HOLISTIC LICENSED CENTRE. I HAVE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS
FOR TEN YEARS .
TODAY I WANT TO STRESS MY REAL POINT ABOUT HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
IN MY TEN YEARS OF MANAGEMENT NEVER ONE CASE HUMAN
TRAFFICKING HAPPEN .
BECAUSE AT THE HOLISTIC LICENSE PETITIONER THEY NEED TO QUALIFY
FOR LICENSE .
TO OBTAIN THIS QUALIFIED LICENSE LICENSE, THEY ARE
FOLLOWING CONDITION CONDITIONS. NUMBER ONE THEY NEED TO GET A
POLICE BACK ON TRACK AND NO CRIMINAL RECORD .
AND EVERY FOUR YEARS THEY HAVE TO RESUBMIT THAT RECORD AGAIN .
SECONDLY, PROFESSIONAL TRAINING AND CENTER .
AND THEY HAVE THEY HAVE GO THROUGH THE GOVERNMENT PERMITTED
PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION TO R RENEW THE CENTER AND EVERY YEAR
THE INSPECTOR AND FINALLY GET
THE LICENSE FOR THE MLS AND CHECK THE I.D. AND IF THE MLS IS IN HERE.
LICENSE HAS TO BE RENEWED. IN EVERY PROCESS THE POLICE
CHECK PROVIDE TWO I.D. WITH AT LEAST ONE PICTURE I.D. SO MAKE SURE THE APPLICANT HAS
LEGALLY WORKING STATUS TO WORK IN THIS INDUSTRY .
ALSO THE PETITION, THE VERY FIRST CONDITION IS THEY MUST
HAVE QUALIFIED LICENSE .
THIRDLY THE PETITIONER IS SELF EMPLOYED .
AND FOR SO MANY YEARS WE ALWAYS COOPERATE WITH THE MLS AND
NEVER A CASE IN MY MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE ONE CASE OF HUMAN
TRAFFICKING HAPPENED .
FOR THE PAST TEN YEARS I KNOW A LOT OF PETITIONER AND OWNERS I
NEVER HEARD FROM THEM ONE CASE OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING HAPPENING
IN LICENSE HOLISTIC INDUSTRY. NOT EVEN ONE CASE .
SO I WOULD LIKE TO RAISE A QUESTION.
AFTER REMOVING THE LICENSE WILL THE SITUATION BECOME BETTER?
AND AFTER REMOVING THE SITUATION SITUATION, HOW CAN
THE OWNERS SCREEN PETITIONERS
THAT WANT TO COME INTO WORK? DO THEY HAVE LEGALLY WORKING
STAT GLUS ?
DO THEY HAVE PROFESSIONAL SKILLS SKILLS?
SO THIS COULD MAKE THE HUMAN TRAFFICKING EASEEL MUCH BIGGER
WITHOUT A LICENSE .
WITHOUT A LICENSE SYSTEM THE CASE OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
THE RISK OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING WILL INCREASE .
I’M BEING OBJECTIVE. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE
GOVERNMENT THE ETHICAL STATISTICS OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING
AND HAPPEN IN LICENSED HOLISTIC INDUSTRY.
WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE? WHY THE REPORT DID NOT MENTION
ANY EFFECTIVE FIGURES AND PERCENTAGE?
I COULD NOT UNDERSTAND.>>SORRY, SIR I NEED TO WRAP UP.
>>WE’RE FINISHED. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.
>>THANK YOU.>>QUESTIONS OF DEPUTANT FROM
OWDZ COUNSELORS? NO?
COMMITTEE MEMBERS? SEEING NONE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH .
NEXT ON THE LIST I HAVE LI XIAN G
FROM THE HOLISTIC ASSOCIATION.>>ACCORDING TO THE REPORT THAT
PROPOSED TO BE MOVED THE HO HOLISTIC LICENSE — I REPRESENT
THE HOLISTIC LICENSE PETD TITION TITIONER AS THE OWNER I
STRONGLY OPPOSE THAT .
THE REPORT RIGHT NOW IN HOLISTIC INDUSTRY –, IN
LICENSED PETITIONER IN THEY VIOLATE THEING ARE THING ARE
LAITION .
THEY PERFORM SOME UNAUTHORIZED INDUSTRY .
LIKE THE BODY RUB INDUSTRY .
AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK GOVERNMENT A QUESTION?
? IF YOU REMOVE THE LICENSE OF
THE HOLE LISK, WILL THESE PROBLEMS GO AWAY? THE ANSWER IS NOT .
IN EVERY INDUSTRY THERE MUST BE SOME VIOLATIO VIOLATEORS.
ONLY TO IMPROVE THE ENFORCEMENT WILL IMPROVE THIS SITUATION .
WHY THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO DO SUCH A SUDDEN THING TO REMOVE
IT IT? IS IT BECAUSE IN THIS INDUSTRY
MOST OF THE PETITIONERS ARE ASIAN? THIS WILL LEAD US TO THINK
THERE’S SOME FACTORS OF RACIAL DISCRIMINATION.
50RDACCORDING TO RELIABILITY RELIABLE FIGURES , THE VIOLATIONS
IN THE BODY RUB INDUSTRY IS MUCH MORE SERIOUS THAN LICENSED
HOLISTIC INDUSTRY .
IN THIS REPORT WE PERCEIVED THE
GOVERNMENT IS MUCH MORE LENIENT TO THE BODY RUB LICENSE
INDUSTRY INDUSTRY. BUT MUCH HARDER TO THE HOLISTIC
LICENSE INDUSTRY. SO WE WOULD LIKE ALL KIND OF
STANDARD IS THE GOVERNMENT
BASED ON? I THINK IS A VERY SERIOUS
DISCRIMINATION IN TWO DIFFERENT INDUSTRY.
WE STRONGLY OPPOSE THAT. ABOUT HOLISTIC LICENSE .
WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK IS ANY INDUSTRY DID NOT HAVE VIOLATION
OR ISSUES? THERE’S VIOLATIONS THE OANTD
WAY TO DO — THE ONLY WAY TO DO SIT IT IS TO CANCEL THE LICENSE.
WHY DOESN’T THE GOVERNMENT CANCEL THE MORE SERIOUS
VIOLATIONS OF BODY RUB INDUSTRY? DRIVER’S LICENSE HAVE VIOLATION.
CAN THE GOVERNMENT CANCEL THE DRIVER LICENSE SYSTEM? IF THERE’S A VIOLATION, ACCOUNT
LICENSE BE REMOVED. ?
CURRENTLY OUR INDUSTRY IS ON THE RIGHT TRACK .
WE GAIN A LOT OF RECOMMENDATION S FROM THE PUBLIC .
GO I DON’T THINK THIS IS FAIR TO
THE INDUSTRY. BASED ON SUPPLY THE MARKET HAS
THE NEED FOG FOR HOLISTIC LICENSE PETITION.
SINCE OCTOBER 13, 1998, CITY
COUNCIL IMPLEMENTED THE LICENSE SYSTEM.
IT’S OVER 20 YEARS .
HOLISTIC CENTRE HAS DEVELOPED TO 400 CENTRES. AND ALSO HAVE OVER 2000
PETITION PETITIONERS. THIS ONLY THE SAYS THAT THE
MARKET HAS A NEED FOR IN A THAT. ANY INDUSTRY THAT CAN BE
DEVELOPING FOR YEARS AND IT IT SHOWS THERE’S A NEED FOR THAT
INDUSTRY CONTRIBUTEING TO SOCIET SOCIETY.
>>SORRY, WRAP UP, PLEASE THAT’S SIX MINUTES.
>>FINISHED. THANK YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS OF THE DEPUTANT FROM VISITING COUNCILLORS?
INCH THANK YOU. SEEING NONE.
>>COMMITTEE? SEEING NONE.
THANK YOU. THE NEXT DEPUTY IS LU YING FROM
THE HOLISTIC ASSOCIATION. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY.>>[INTERPRETED] HIM I’M A HOL
HOLISTIC PETITION. I OPPOSED THE REMOVAL OF HOL
HOLISTIC LICENSE. THE REPORT IS SAD THAT THEY
PROPOSE TO REMOVE OUR WHOLE LISK LICENSE.
— HOLE WHOLE HOLISTIC LICENSE AND MERGE WITH THE BODY RUB
LICENSE. AND WE JUST FEEL THAT THIS IS
NOT FAIR AND NOT RESPONSIBLE. HOLISTICEL NEEDS SKILL AND —
HOLISTIC NEEDS SKILL AND TRAI TRAINING.
IT’S A CLEMENT TO — COMPLEMENT
TO THE MARKET AND NOT A LIMITATION OF AGE AND SEX
BECAUSE THEY HAVE FLEXIBLE WORKING HOURS.
A LOT OF SINGLE MOTHER THEY CHOOSE THIS JOB BECAUSE THEY
DON’T HAVE — THEY HAVE NO LANGUAGE REQUIREMENT .
A LOT OF MIDDLE AGED TO ELDER WOMEN, THEY CHOSE THIS JOB.
WE WORK HARD. WE’RE DECENT PEOPLE.
WE DON’T RELY ON TAKING BENEFIT S FROM THE GOVERNMENT RESOURCES .
SO WE HAVE INCOME TO SUPPORT OUR FAMILY.
TO MIX UP HOLISTI HOLISTIC INDUSTRY AND THE BODY RUB
INDUSTRY, YEAH, THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT KNOWLEDGE OF KNOWING
ABOUT THESE TWO INDUSTRIES .
THESE ARE ARE TWO DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES THAT CANNOT BE
COMPARED. AND THEY ARE OVER 85% [INDISCERN
[INDISCERNIBLE] ONLY 15% OF THE
COVERAGE TALKING ABOUT HOLISTIC AND ABOUT HOW TO REMOVE THE
HOLISTIC LICENSE. WE FEEL THIS IS A
DISCRIMINATION TO THE INDUSTRY .
IT’S NOT REALLY RESPONSIBLE TO THE PETITION AND ALSO THE
CUSTOMERS .
REMOVING THE LICENSE WILL MAKE A LOT OF PEOPLE LOSING THEIR
JOB LIKE ME .
WE DEFINITELY WILL NOT GO TO THE PLACES TO WORK WHERE THERE
IS UN UNLICENSED. BECAUSE UNLICENSED PLACE HAVE
MORE FACTORED FOR RISK ING MY
LIFE. THAT’S WHY WE OPPOSED THE
CANCELLATION OF THE LICENSE. THANK YOU.>>THANK USM QUESTIONS OF
DEPUTANT FROM OUTSIDE COUNCILLO COUNCILLORS?
BRINGING INTO COMMITTEE? QUESTIONS?
SEEING NONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THE NEXT ONE DEPUTANT IS KATE ARMSTRONG FROM THE BAHN THAI
SPA SPA. GOOD AFTERNOON MS. ARM ZLS
STRONG YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES WHENEVER YOU ARE READY.
>>THANK FOUR LETTING ME PRESENT HERE.
I’M THE OWNER OF BAHN THAI SPA WHICH IS A SPA AND SCHOOL
DEDICATED TO THE ART OF THAI MASSAGE WHICH SAY BIT OF A
NEARBY. THERE ARE 29 ASSOCIATIONS ONLY
FOUR THAT ACTUALLY COVER THE ART OF TRADITIONAL THAI MASSAGE.
AS A SPA OWNER I DO NOT WANT TO LOSE THE LICENSE.
FOR ME IT SPEAKS TO THE INTEGRITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY OF
MY PRACTICE. AS A FURTHER LAYER WE
UNDERSTAND THAT ALL OF OUR PRACTICE IN ADDITIONERS CAR
YOUR THINK OWN INSURANCE AS WELL AS OUR OWN FOR THE SCOPE
OF PRACTICE SOMETHING THE CITY MY CONSIDER DOING AS BEING
MANDATORY. I WOULD ALSO HAVE NO PROBLEM AS
AN OWNER TAKING MORE RESPONSIBILITY WHATEVER THAT
ENTAILS TO KEEP HELP KEEP THAT LICENSE IN PLACE.
TOURISTS COME TO TRNTO AND I FEEL THAT IT’S A — WHEN THEY
WALK INTO AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT IS LICENSED IT’S A SIGN THAT
THE CITY OF TORONTO CARES ABOUT TOU TOURISM.
TO TAKE THAT AWAY IS GOING TO OPEN UP A WHOLE NEW CAN OF WAR
WORMS WORMS. ASIDE FROM THE OFFICE OF OWE
OBVIOUSLY STANDARDS OF HYGIENE MAINTAINED YOU TAKE AWAY THE
INTEGRITY AND MY PRACTICE IN ADDITIONERS FEEL THE SAME WAY
THEIR THEIR LICENSES AND FEEL A LEVEL OF PROTECTION.
WE HAVESPECIALIZE IN THAI MASSAGE.
UNFORTUNATELY THERE’S A CONNOT CONNOTATION OF A HAPPY ENDING.
IT IS NOT. IT’S A MONK’S PRACTICE.
THE REASON IS BECAUSE U.S. SOLDIERS GOING ASIAN AND THRO
THROWING DOLLARS AROUND AND CREATEING AN INDUSTRY.
WE GET CALLS FROM DAILY FROM PEOPLE ASKING FOR A HAPPY
ENDING ENDING. YOU TAKE OUR LICENSE,
CREDIBILITY AWAY IT’S DIFFICULT FOR US TO KEEP THOSE PEOPLE
AWAY AWAY. YOU WOULD ALSO BE DOING A
SERIOUS INJUSTICE TO THE VERY LARGE THAI COMMUNITY IN TORONTO
BUT ALLOWING MASSAGE OF ANY KIND TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH SEX.
IF YOU TAKE OUR LICENSE AWAY WHAT IS TO STOP ANYONE DECIDING
THEY DON’T WANT TO PAY THE BODY RUB LICENSE FEE.
WHAT IS TO STOP ANYONE FROM HANGING APE SHINGLE AND SAYING
MASSAGE WHEN THEY ARE OPENING DOCTOR OFFERING UP OTHER
SERVICE SERVICES. IF YOU THINK HUMAN TRAFFICKING
IS BAD NOW, JUST WAIT. HOW WOULD THE I CITI KNOW WHO
IS DOING WHAT? YOU LET THE GENIE OUT OF BODEL,
HE WILL NEVER PUT IT BACK. IN CLOSING I WANT TO SAY I’VE
HAD NO PROBLEM WITH THE LICENSE LICENSING INSPECTIONS
THEMSELVES THEMSELVES. THEY’VE BEEN INCREDIBLY POLITE
AND RESPECTFUL. BUT I’M LEARNING MORE AND MORE
THROUGH MEETINGS THAT IS IT BECAUSE I’M WHITE AND SPEAK
ENGLISH. THAT DOESN’T REFLECT WELL ON
THE CITY. IN CLOSING, I WOULD HAVE NO
PROBLEM TAKING MORE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY STAFF IN
ORDER TO KEEP MY LICENSE AND THEIR LICENSES IN PLACE THANK
YOU.>>THANK YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM OUTSIDE COUNCILLORS?
NO. BACK IN THE COMMITTEE?
COMMITTEE MEMBERS? SEEING NONE.
OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT WAS THE LAP LAST DEPUTANT ON THE LIST.
SO QUESTIONS OF STAFF? FROM OUTSIDE COUNCILLORS
COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM?>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND THROUGH YOU TO STAFF, WITH RESPECT TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS
BEFORE US WHAT YOU ARE ASKING THIS COMMITTEE TO DO IS JUST
ALLOWING TO GO BACK AND DID FURTHER REVIEW BEFORE YOU
DEVELOP A POLICY THAT IS BROUGHT FORWARD BY COUNCIL.
TODAY IS NOT A DECISION MAKING DAY ABOUT THE BY-LAW BECAUSE
THAT’S NOT WHAT IS BEFORE FOR US US, CORRECT?
>>WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR YOU IS GUIDANCE FROM YOU AND YOUR
COLLEAGUES TO SET US THE PATH AS WHAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT
AS WE MOVE FORWARD.>>WOULD YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTION
INTO ENSUREING THAT WHEN YOU DRAFT THE REPORT YOU YOU CAN DO
SO IN DISCUSSION WITH RELEVANT IS STAKEHOLDERS TO PUT A LENS
AROUND LABOR NOT NECESSARILY LABOR PRACTICES IN A BIG P
SENSE UNDER THE PROVINCE IN TERMS OF WORK PLACE SAFETY
CENTERING THE EXPERIENCE OF THE
WORKERS. ENOUGH TO OBJECTIONS TO THAT,
CORRECT?>>THAT IS CORRECT.
WITH RESPECT TO THE COMMENTS AND THE REFERENCES THAT WERE
MADE TODAY AROUND HUMAN TRAFFICKING, .
HOLISTIC CENTRE OWNERS. HOW RAMPANT IS HUMAN TRAFFIC
KING IN THIS SECTOR?>>WE DO NOT HAVE GOOD OR
SPECIFIC DATA ON HUMAN TRAFFICKING IN THESE.
WE ARE AWARE THAT IT HAS HAPPENED BASED ON DISCUSSIONS
ON WE’VE HAD WITH SURVIVORS. WE ARE AWARE IT’S HAPPENING IN
A NUMBER OF OTHER INDUSTRIES BUT WE, NOR THE POLICE HAVE
STRONG DATA ON THIS IN THIS BUT WE KNOW IT’S HAPPENING.
WITH RESPECT TO THE NUMBER OF THE PEOPLE THAT YOU’VE SPOKEN
THROUGH THE BROAD CONSULTATION, HAS THERE BEEN ANY INDIVIDUAL
WHO IS CURRENTLY PRACTICEING THAT HAS STOOD BEFORE YOU
EITHER PRIVATELY OR IN PUBLIC CONSUL CONSULTATION THAT HAS
SAID I’M A VICTIM OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING .
>>YES.>>THERE’S BEEN ONE?
TWO? OKAY.
THANK YOU. WHEN THAT TOOK PLACE DID YOU
REPORT THIS TO THE PROPER AUTHORITIES AND ARE THEY NOW
ACTIVELY INVESTIGATEING?>>YES, WHEN WE BECOME AWARE OF
THIS, WE REFER TO THE TORONTO POLICE SERVICE.
AND IN DOMESTIC HUMAN TRAFFICKING IN CANADA, 25% OF
THE INDIVIDUALS ARE GENERALLY CHILDREN AND THE MAJORITY OF
THE ADULT WOMEN ARE INDIGENOUS. WE DIDN’T HEAR FROM ANY ONE OF
THOSE COMMUNITIES TODAY. DID WE?
>>THAT’S IN THE REPORT BEFORE E ECDC NEXT WEEK.
OKAY. BUT THAT IS SPECIFICALLY THE
LARGER BROADER POP YOU LAITION THAT DOES FALL VICTIM TO HUMAN
TRAFFICKING?>>THERE YOU, MR. CHAIR, I
THINK THAT’S A QUESTION THAT OUGHT TO BE RAISED WHEN THE
REPORT DEALING WITH HUMAN TRAFFICKING AT LARGE COMES
FORWARD AS AUTHOR AUTHORED BY SC FA
ALONG WITH US. THIS IS DEALING WITH LICENSEING
UNDER CHAPTER 545.>>EXCELLENT.
SO THE FACT THAT THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT REPORTS DEALING WITH
TWO SEPARATE MATTERS COMING TO CITY COUNCIL THERE WAS AN
OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THEM TOGETHER BUT THEY ARE SITTING
SEPARATELY, CORRECT?>>THAT’S CORRECT.
WE’VE BEEN WORKING WITH STF AND A FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS THAT
HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO THEY COME TOGETHER SO-TO-HAVE THIS
DISCUSSION AT ONE COUNCIL MEE MEETING WITH BOTH ITEMS.
>>EXCELLENT. WITH RESPECT TO THE SDFA REPORT
I EBB RECOGNIZE IT’S NOT BEFORE US TODAY BUT ONE OF REASONS IS
BECAUSE YOU ARE SEEING IT AS AN ENTIRELY SEPARATE ISSUE FROM
THE LICENSEING OF THESE BUSINESSES IS THAT CORRECT?>>THE WORK OF STFA REPORT IS
FOCUSED ON ACCESSION TO CITY SERVICES MORE THAN DIRECTLY
RELATED TO THE LICENSING REGIMES REGIMES.
THANK YOU. MLS IS JUST ONE OF MANY
DIVISION DIVISIONS WORK THAT IS CONSIDERED IN THE HUMAN
TRAFFICKING REPORT AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO
SUPPORT SURVIVORS OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
>>FINALLY MY LAST QUESTION IS THAT BY WAY OF ADOPTING THESE
SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS AND POSSIBLY MINOR AMENDMENTS TO EN
ENSURE THAT THERE’S A WORK PLACE SAFETY LENS, THE
PROTECTION OF THE WORKER AS WELL AS PROTECTION OF THE
CONSUMER SERVICE, REALLY AT THE CORE OF IT, IS REALLY RYING TO
CREATE A FAIR AND INCLUSIVE SYSTEM THAT RESPONDS TO THE
NEEDS OF THOSE WHO ARE JUST TRY ING TO MAKE AN HONEST LIVING,
CORRECT? IN ADDITION TO — GO AHEAD.
LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE READY TO ANSWER.
>>WE’RE TRYING TO CREATE A SYSTEM THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THE
INDUSTRY.>>AND YOUR INTENTION WITH
THESE RECOMMENDATIONS IS NOT TO PUT 40 400 BUSINESSES THAT ARE
PRIMARY IMMIGRANT-OWNED BUSINESSES OUT ON THE STREETS
NOR IS YOUR INTENTION TO DIS PLACE
2300 WOR WORKERS WHO ARE LICENSED PRACTITIONERS, THAT IS
NOT THE INTENTION OF YOUR REPORT, CORRECT?
>>VERY LAST QUESTION COUNCILLOR COUNCILLOR.
>>NO, IT’S NOT MEANT TO DI DISPLACE.
WHAT WE’RE DRAWING TO YOUR ATTENTION HERE IS UNAUTHORIZED
SERVICES WITH ARE BEING A NUMBER OF THESE, HIGH MAJORITY
OF THEM. WE WANT TO BRING THAT TO YOUR
ATTENTION AND DETERMINE WHETHER WE NEED TO BE IN THIS BUSINESS
OR NOT.>>THANK YOU.
>>BRINGING IN THE COMMITTEE, QUESTIONS OF STAFF FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY?
>>THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I — THERE WAS A LOT IN THIS
REPORT. THERE’S A LOT IN THE APPENDIXES.
THERE’S A LOT OF PIECES OF PUBLIC POLICY.
I THINK THERE’S PIECES IN THERE THAT ARE — THIS SAY QUESTION I
PROMISE. THERE ARE PIECE IS PIECES LESS
CONTENTIOUS THAN OTHERS BUT PERHAPS THE ONE THAT MANY
COMMITTEE MEMBERS CIRCLED WAS THE NOTION OF REMOVING THE CAP
OF 25 BODY RUB PARLORS. I WONDERED IF STAFF COULD
ELABORATE ON THE LINKAGE BETWEEN THE CONCEPT OF REMOVING
THE CAP AND THE CONCEPT OF NO LONGER LICENSEING HOLISTIC
CENTERS AND WHETHER OR NOT THE TWO WERE INTERRELATED OR
EXCLUSIVE IDEAS?>>YES, SO THEY ARE INTERRELATED
INTERRELATED. AGAIN, AS I SAID IN MY PREVIOUS
RESPONSES A NUMBER OF U UNAUTHORIZED SERVICES ARE
HAPPE HAPPENING IN THE HOLE LISK CENTER BUSINESS HOLE LISK
PRACTITIONERS SERVICES MORE AKIN TO BODY RUB PARLORS.
SO WE’VE CREATING A LICENSE LYING CATEGORY THAT THE — THEY
ARE MORE AKIN TO BRP. THE SUGGESTION HERE IS TO
POTENTIALLY AND COUNCIL ASKED US TO DO THIS AND LOOK AT THE
POTENTIAL OF RAISING THE CAP AND HAVE THE SERVICES PROVIDED
IN INDUSTRY ZONES, EMPLOYMENT ZONES AND NOT IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
>>WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY AT LEAST BASED ON THE FEEDBACK IN
THE REPORTS AND THE ANECDOTALS AND WHAT WE KNOW FROM THE AUDIT
AUDITOR GENERAL THAT AMONG THE HOLE HOLISTIC PRACTITIONERS A
SIGNIFICANT PORTION ARE PROVIDES UNAUTHORIZED SERVICES THAT
FALLS INTO THE CATEGORY OF BODY RUB.
THE CONTEMP CONCEPT HERE WOULD BE THAT THE CAP WOULD BE LIFTED
AND THE HOPE WOULD BE THAT THOSE PEOPLE WORKING IN THAT
FIELD AND THAT PRACTICE WOULD GO UNDER THE LICENSE REGIME OF
THE BODY RUB.>>WON SEPTEMBER YOU’LLLY THAT
IS ONE PATH AND — BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE POTENTIALLY IN
HOLISTIC AREA THE LICENSE DOES NOT PERMIT THEM FROM WORKING OR
NOT.>>RIGHT AND THE RECOMMENDATION
WOULD BE WITH — IF I READ IT CORRECTLY IF WHAT IS LEFT AFTER
THE SHIFT FROM ONE CAT GORY TO THE OTHER ARE THE HOLEISTIC
PROVIDERS THE RECOMMENDATION IS THEY NO LONGER NEED TO LICENSE
THEM?>>THAT’S CORRECT.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF BUSINESSES WE DO NOT LICENSE.
WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT IF COMMITTEE TOOK A PATH OR MADE A
DECISION THAT THERE WAS NOT A DESIRE TO LIFT THE CAPS OF 25
ON BODY RUB PARLORS THAT IT WOULD BE A MOOT POINT OR NOT
REESKY EFFECTIVE TO STOP LICENSEING HOLE HOLISTIC
PROVIDERS, LIKE THE TWO BODIES ARE TIED TO EACH OTHER.
THE TWO GROUPS ARE TIED TO EACH OTHER.
EITHER YOU GO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER S. THAT A FAIR ASSERTATIO
ASSERTATION?>>THE CONCEPT PUT FORWARD AND
WHY WE’VE COME HERE TODAY IS TO GET YOUR GUIDANCE ON WHICH PATH
TO GO. THE CONCEPTUAL PATH IS THAT THE
HOLEISTIC CENTER PRACTITIONER COULD MOVE INTO THE BODY RUB
PARLOR SPACE AS SERVICES ARE MORE AKIN TO WHAT IS PROVIDED.
>>PATH NUMBER TWO –>>LAST QUESTION.
>>PATH NUMBER TWO WOULD BE IF COUNCIL WAS NOT COME FORIBLE OR
THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WERE NOT COME FOR THIBLE WITH CHANGE
THE QUANTITY OF BODY RUB PARTICLE YOURS THEN THERE WOULD
BE NO SINCE IN STOPPING TO LICENSE HOLISTIC CENTRES.
IN OTHER WORDS KEEP THE EXISTING REGIME AND WHATEVER WE CHANGE,
WE CHANGE, BUT IT’S EITHER ONE PATH OR THE OTHER.
>>WE’RE LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE FROM YOU ON WHICH PATH TO GO.
WE DON’T COMMIT TO EITHER. WE PUT THEM OUT AS CONCEPTS.
WE’RE LOOKING FOR YOUR GUIDANCE AND BASED ON THE PRINCIPLES
NOTE NOTED IN RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE ON WHERE WE GO WITH
THIS INDUSTRY.>>THANK YOU.
>>OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF?>>COUNCILLOR FILION?
>>THANK YOU. SO IF ONE IS OF THE VIEW THAT
WE SHOULD NOT BE INCREASING THE CAP ON BODY RUB PARLORS AND IS
ALSO OF THE VIEW THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE CONTINUING A SYSTEM WE
HAVE A SYSTEM WHERE WE HAVE LEG
NATE HOLISTIC PRACTITIONERS AND WHAT ARE IN EFFECT BODY RUB
PARLOR PRACTITIONERS IN THIS SAME AND WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT
BECAUSE WE CAN’T HAVE UNENFORCE ABLE
BY-LAWS WRRK DO WE GO WITH THAT? IT’S A COMPLEX FILE.
WE CREATED A CATEGORY WAS WE THOUGHT WAS RIGHT AT THE TIME.
IT’S NOT IT’S BEING MISUSED. AS YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE
WE’RE HAVING A CHALLENGE WITH THIS FILE.
>>IF WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE MADE A MISTAKE AND I WAS ONE OF
THE ONES WHO MADE IT BACK IN 200 2005, HOW DO WE CREBLGHT THAT
MISTAKE? LIKE IT’S AM I HEARING THAT
IT’S BASICALLY UNFIXABLE? WE HAVE TO STICK WITH THAT
SYSTEM BECAUSE WE CREATED IT AND WE DON’T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO
DO? EVEN THOUGH IT ZNLT WORK?
>>WHAT WE WILL TRY TO DO OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS IS FIND THE
CORRECT CATEGORY. WE SUGGESTED THAT ONE OF PATHS
IN THE CORRECT CATEGORY IS BODY RUB PARLOR?
IS THERE ANOTHER CATEGORY IS IT OUT THERE?
IT’S A BODY OF WORK WE NEED TO UNDERTAKE.
>>I’M SURE STAFF HAVE GIVEN THOUGHT ON TO — INTO CAN WE U
UNDO THE MISTAKE WE MADE IN 2005 AND ALLOW THE LEGITIMATE
HOLISTIC PRACTITIONERS TO CARRY ON, YOU KNOW FREED UP FROM THIS,
YOU KNOW, CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT THEY REALLY ARE AND HOW DO WE
DO THAT? AND IF YOU ARE LEAVING THE ONES
WHO WILL NOT HOLISTIC PRACTITIONERS TO FEND FOR
THEMSELVES. IF ONE WAS TO HAVE THAT
APPROACH APPROACH, WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE?
IT’S UNFOR THFORTUNATE THAT THE LEGITIMATE HOLISTIC
PRACTICE IN ADDITIONERS HAVE BEEN BUNDLED IN WITH SERVICE —
COMPANIES OR PRACTICE IN ADDITIONERS PROVIDED UN
AUTHORIZED SERVICES.
AGAIN, A BUSINESS LICENSE OR PIECE OF PAPER IS NOT
NECESSARILY — MAY NOT BE NECESSARY FOR THE LEGITIMATE
HOLEISTIC PRACTICE IN ADDITIONER S TO CONTINUE NOR FOR THE OTHER
GROUP.>>SO — WHAT I’M KIND OF HEA
HEARING IS WE’RE KIND OF STUCK WITH THIS SYSTEM BECAUSE WE
DON’T KNOW HOW TO FIX IT. SURELY THERE’S BEEN SOME — WE
REALIZED IT WASN’T WORKING SOON AFTER WE BROUGHT IT IN SO NOT
YOU IN PARTICULAR BUT ALL OF US HAVE HAD, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF
YEARS TO KNOW THIS IS NOT WORKING AND TO TRY TO COME UP
WITH A WAY TO FIX IT. HAVE WE NOT MADE ANY PROGRESS
THERE.>>THROUGH YOU, MR. CHAIR, I’LL
STEP IN. SINCE JANUARY 30 OF 2012, WHEN
I JOINED THE CITY IN THE ROLE OF ED OF MLS IT’S A FILE
WE’VE BEEN TRYING TO ADDRESS. AS YOU HEARD FROM THE DEPUTANTS
VARYING POSITIONS ON THE STATE OF THE INDUSTRY.
THE IMPORTANCE OF IT TO SOME AND CHALLENGES OTHERS HAVE HAD
BEING EXPLOITED THROUGH IT. WHAT WE DO KNOW WE HAVE ARE TWO
PARTICULAR ARTICLES OF CHAPTER 5 545 THAT LICENSE TWO SEPARATE
TYPES OF BUSINESSES BOTH OF WHICH WOEFULLY — WELL, U
UNENFORCEABLE IN MANY INSTANCES, QUITE ENFORCEABLE IN OTHERS
BUT NEVERTHELESS OUTDATED CONSIDERABLY.
THE BODY RUB ARTICLE WAS DONE IN 1978.
IT WAS CREATED IN 1998 AND LOOKING AT THE MINUTES FROM
THAT COUNCIL MEETING TALKING ABOUT IT IS ALSO A TOOL TO HELP
US ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF PROPERTIES OR PEOPLE ARE
PREMISES PROVIDEING MASSAGE SERVICES.
SO SUGGEST THAT WE’RE IN A PLACE WHERE WE ARE NOW WHERE WE
HAVE APPROXIMATELY 400 LOCATION S THAT WE BELIEVE ARE ACTUALLY
OPERATING AS BODY RUB PARLORS BUT ARE NOT LICENSED AS SUCH,
NOT REGULATED THEREFORE NOT AFFORDING US THE REGULATION AND
FEELS TOOLS TO DEAL WITH THE HEALTH AND SAFETY.
>>I’VE GOT THAT. BUT MY SENSE IS THAT THE
COMMITTEE DOES NOT WANT TO INCREASE THE CAP AND WE’LL FIND
OUT IF THAT’S THE CASE BUT I’M SENSING WE DON’T WANT TO
INCREASE THE CAP. WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US WITH
THE CURRENT MESS WE HAVE.>>ABSOLUTELY.
THROUGH YOU, MR. CHAIR, IN THE ABSENCE OF RAISING THE CAP
WE’LL CONTINUE TO OPERATE IN THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE WE
ARE NOW WHERE WE HAVE NORTH OF 300 AND SO ODD — 100 AND SOME
ODD PRACTICE IN ADDITIONERS WHO ARE USING THE HOLISTICS LICENSE
NOT ITS INTENTION AND EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
THE RECOMMENDATION AND I WILL NOTE COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM DID
POINT OUT THAT THE REPORT IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY IS NOT HAV
ING TO MAKE A DECISION IT’S TO GIVE ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE ON HOW
TO REPORT BACK. WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT THE
NUMBER OF DEPUTANTS THAT CAME FORWARD AND SAID I THINK 2200
PEOPLE OR FAMILIES WERE REFERENCED AS SOME PEOPLE WORK
IN THIS INDUSTRY UNDER THEIR OWN CHOICE OR BECAUSE I WAS THE
ONLY EMPLOY EMPLOYMENT AVAILABLE TO THEM.
SO OUR BELIEF WAS THAT BY LIF LIFTING THE CAP OR REMOVING
THAT WE PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE WHO WIRK TO WORK IN
THIS INDUSTRY TO BE ABLE TO DO SO UNDER A PROPER REGULATION.
AT THE SAME TIME WHEN YOU LISTEN TO OTHER DEPUTANTS
EXPLOITED IN THIS INDUSTRY PROVIDING US WITH THE
OPPORTUNITIES AND POINTED OF INTERVENTION WHERE WE HAVE AT
LEAST A REGULATED REGIME THAT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE
THOSE INTERACTIONS WITH PEOPLE AND PROVIDING SERVICES AND
HOPEFULLY SAFE HAVEN AT SOME POINT THE FACT IS WE HAVE TWO
BY-LAWS THAT ARE NOT SERVING THE PUBLIC, THE COMMUNITIES ARE
THAT ARE NOT PLEASED THAT HOLISTIC PRACTICE IN ADDITIONER
S ARE OPERATING AS BODY PARLORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE HAVE PEOPLE UNDER SERVED BY THE REGULATION ITSELF AND THIS
IS NOT AN EASY ANSWER. NONE OF CUSS GIVE YOU A
GUARANTEE IF WE MAKE THE AMENDMENTS WE’LL HAVE MAGICALLY
FIXED WHATEVER ISSUE PEOPLE BELIEVE IT IS WE HAVE.
WHAT WE’LL DO IS CONTINUE IN THE PATH THAT WE ARE NOW .
SORRY I COULDN’T MAKE IT ANY EASIER.
>>THAT’S THE END OF YOUR FIVE MINUTES COUNCILLOR.

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