Managing the Beatles: Brian Epstein Interview


the script family because of tenneco
overshadow always other artists do you have uh… working for you all for whom you
work with what sort of size of empire development uh… we have several act reports because five of those groups into a form of
sorts accelerant village a kramer and the country’s which seconds to his
backing group chair in the pace makers toma quickly
before most summer black and sounds inc what about the administered it’s tough
to support louis when adventists like here because um… we’ve just moved into
number and whatever and you start but um… it’s approximately twenty four
hours what sort of signs of empire was it in
terms of money on its own staggering figures of the because of the unfolded
courting company basket what sort of tuna with us this in part
because according to him and stir i really don’t
know because instead of the company has only
the companies which couldn’t marriage is out to a second directed has only been an
operation for jhoom since june nineteen sixty two papers have been kissing you as being the strip twenty
five percent to flee said it was as big as we’ll implying that this means of a
lodging continuous it in fact a lot in the entertainment business behind it
isn’t doesn’t and uh… i ones profits from that kind of five percent in this
business and not really fantastic because my own personal expenses in connection with the management of artists acquire
contested really what sort of expense on that well when i fly to america all are charged on medicare in order to
album fish around to see to arrange bookings and so on and so
forth uh… i pay my own pros aikman if if i
contract uh… the beatles to say the ed sullivan
show he’ll pay first for the poor is impossible democrat independent consider
the titan uh… that he should pay my fair because i’m district to travel with them
whenever they get so whenever i go i have to pay my own expenses metal comes
at about twenty five percent plus of course are for about twenty five percent um… arranged for them to have all
their photographs we arrange that transport surrendered you can imagine the telephone calls of
american behalf of say the beatles which sort of worldwide re-elect him immense
tinted windows tremendous s but senior financial control tower three young men like you to be in how to
do get into it had to stop i started um… while starr was in terms of the records division of family conservative bridge our walls and
and the spirit moves to the director uh… we what costs or i was asked by var for correct caused by a group the beatles and it always have been our policy and
records to look after whatever request was made and i followed up this inquired i don’t
know anything about it uh… and it was only after a week or
two which he told me that they were infected liverpool group i i p assume
for some reason that they were from germany examine very livable group and that
they’re just in fact returned from germany and they were playing in the club called captain about a hundred yards where tomorrow
arranged to go down there and i saw the woman mid-day sessions pitted and at the time it was a pretty uh… you pretty much of an eye opener to go down into this darkened dense smoky seller in the middle of the
day undersea crowds in cramped kids
forgeries for uh… your own storage there were sort of thing well the scuffle address
has been in the most possible wet why should send in the most attractive way uh… black leather jackets and jeans uh… long and of course and uh… rob untidy stage presentation not
terribly aware not caring very much what their school
they looked like i think they can add more humid what they sounded like i
think they still camera or they sound like on the issue that you know the important
to know of what they look like the cause of you know television and so on the changes in the appearance of any
country you will put you encourage them to go to dress in such alonso i would say that it was due
to the five of us rather than from me um… highly encourage them first to get out of leather jackets and jeans
and the hyatt wouldn’t allow them to appear in jeans uh… after a short time and then after
that step uh… are caught them to what i think sweaters on stage m uh… very reluctantly eventually
suits i think it was for that but one of their first sort of major appearances i’m not sure britain
when i first suits for bbc broadcaster marv organs his suits who could be cool call hello i’m frankly until and type of
jackie conference opened jemison years ago did the boys chooses deficit will you
they did actually i i’m very much with my approved for listener design of the time it quickly became sort of other
overworked hundred along with sort of interesting for them to wear but uh… they first discovered as i
think the idea originated from france pierre cardin on that day you first went to the kaplan and sol the beatles he taught women yes i did estimate you’ve spotted that counted cements
limited use on the mountain bellman gardener come in with an interest in
actual fact hyatt commenced to go around with them almost we could sell art uh… and then they reworked her out basis for recruitment which they didn’t get to this time and i
didn’t actually stopped take anything out of that money which was very little
in any case uh… until although for months
afterwards uh… actually the first meeting that we have the first business meeting
we had realtor maestro echohawk trumpeter stars parkway
using rather uh… three of the boys arrived at that
point time four o’clock i was very busy ordering records christmas and uh… poll didn’t so school replaced reports
respect what was meeting they want to do something about management
consultant and on some of what’s going on the phone
term he came back they said we’re just caught up in the past starts for fifth chatted about a bit less for there
describes windy and uh… how can he be say late
important thank you and uh… george just simply reply regards very
difficult problem well maybe late which is very clear you take these bought his who’ve long gone right
to the top of only available trees off for them line what what what was it about them i liked them enormously i needed to like the sound that i heard
i heard that sound before i met them i think that uh… that’s important
because uh… i think that it should always be
remembered in fact people here that sounded like this and before that meet them they are important but i was i mean it lacked what i heard him i
thought that which was somehow with smoke a lot of
people would like through a fraction of what honest and the had what i did assault with a sort of presents and this is terrible vague term stock
quarter whenever that is that it’s art part sends the packet this almost is this going to go the
label fishes are going to come up to buy time on the exposure that there’s some
pictures certainly not i think that’s absolutely they will go in the reverse direction
they will become morals i mean less frank an alternate tolbert uh… i think the best sell aware of this simple uh… presents of a project i was interested in one thing you saying
then when you first saw the because they appear to have little idea off stage presentation uh…
which implies some sort of knowledge or feeling collect yourself review petty
innocent training yes ourselves that roger for eighteen months approximately organ cracker should send
to the family business next tiptoe education organized papa let’s talk about a promise with all
this fits into context what social family is your family uh… middle-class background perhaps a little better short you know retail stores uh… oldest averaged was started by my grandfather uh… principally in furniture when i
left school appeared to sixty arent had ambitions to be address designer uh… and also to be an actor but my
family were very keen on this and allowed myself to be swayed uh… into going into the business i
think i was more anxious to leave school than anything else addington georgia
which wasn’t greeting card choc chip went into the family business and diet didn’t apprenticeships for furniture
coming outside about us about six months and then uh… found myself back in the family
business and interest of myself in the display armed advertising side infects uh… we opened uh… uh… store specifically for me to work
it and uh… and develop interior decoration charge rather interested in but by the time of up to twenty one are
still feeling that sort of bug about acting on the stage solemn and i removed one baram actor who are
not tremendously said um… i was chatting to a nice sort
of admiring his idea doesn’t sound so forth and he said i said do you know it’s i’d feel so much
like an old manager wandering around trying to interview quicker shraddha presses i thought so i called i’ve
decided then to take more vision which i promised
from um… the director of our time allowed me to
get to know the cricket but i think by that time was too much of
a businessman enjoy being a student and i didn’t like being a student at all when this opportunity was presented again to rejoin the kind of business in records i was rather attractive but
because it still happens because of this over you have spectrum stage left and i thought that it would be the best
thing and i enjoyed this very much indeed i
found i liked working and nichols as much jessica was a simple well sure what sort of music and his
head to head really what school you had risen musical yes i was told by the
violin and i was very interesting transformers
price quote for a lot of concerts communal pool and uh… i didn’t really have a lot of time for
pops until i was it very much in the record business coming
i mean the retails ears and i used to go and see a lot of options in packages and some the musical interests you kindly debate
make you feel that uh… the soulful music you are handling
now is worthwhile knows i’m saying to think
that modern pop is is good music i don’t know about it in court music but it’s an art form anyway a not for me purchase homes and yes
boris do you know i’m not about music to have
it and any say in the actual uh… compositional recording all
arrangement among those who don’t know about music but i know about i think i know about pixels at numbers
experiments is anyone in the recording studios with
whom you might possibly clash of the the sort of issue george martin is their beatles many of
my own artists for co-director uh… but we get home extreme well fortunately and we worked very closely on what is recorded once titles of the side of the problem uh… the rest is really left and my
sitting on a lot of sessions and so on uh… and i’ll say what i think about
various records and what size should be a suit he makes the recordings i am not a technical person at all you get home anywhere with him didn’t do a lot of people on the home uh… of restoring that someone with people unless one doesn’t like them ispat if you’re going to be a way to get on
well with people in this particular business the role of
the impresario are you still seem to need to be a strange fish in a very weird sort of
see can get away with the impresario is
going to conclude on the whole i think so um… you know
maybe quite a lot of andrea about uh… i’m i’m aware of that which for
that reason that i think that it’s up to me to try it personally to make up but i attended because it isn’t a nice
things for other people to feel particularly if i was envious of some of it uh… who was doing something that i A of modern wished if i could do i’d be very envious and almost annotated he was cockpit nasty to me but if he was a nice trip uh… was always presents because his i’m good
to talk to him so on to me i’ve just endgame with admiration impression his relationship with the artists unusual want to say and and i think so i
think it’s a kind of personal one for uh… considering the car acting role uh… manager and agent waterfront park singles on her behalf a manager and an
agent to compile write up a separate center
tasks well the pleasures of management and
what could be a good uh… lots development of a marxist to a certain extent i suppose it must be
something in the actual determines smartest which is very gratifying away and and that tremendous laurel tree uh… and also i like marxists is people very much i think
dole great people are going to mean that uh… it was recently written about me that probably enjoyed that’s the company of
my office and it’s quite remarkable that uh… was written in a complex where i
don’t have uh… much of a social life i’m not most of my time spent with
margins glucophage enfield pushes into specific
moment in management when you really get a kick if you had uh… uh… real kick out of any aspect of
management with when he was going to pick a record comes and have criminal
records it’s number one best that it is great feeling it’s it’s a simple thing really but it’s a great feeling because you you’ve been rocked not just for dr
you’ve been right the record image has been rocked the song was right now to switch off and it was pushed over in the right way
and one feels that all ones like the sort of something worthwhile it’s just like whispers winning the race
has just gotten is not just the recording artist list on getting
somewhat but so much happens because record as hit number one classes to suddenly important arnelle
wanted everywhere because the record should look so there is going to be
number one in other parts of the world it’ll the said that record in the trucks means a great deal to not
just in this didn’t hedge most under an immense amount of pre
planning unanimity in trip when you start thinking about it for example well obviously once thought about
america uh… in connection with the beatles for
long time because i always arnolds park shore really because we
make it bigger i was we’re all one of the turned about it
because knock that we seem to be a certain records nothing much was
happening and i went awry anne have a look around and see why didn’t
run since the american market i also talked with me and i’m lou wonderful myron orchestrated requirement uh… to do some promotional work which
i thought would be a accord idea and both worked quite well actually insofar as sort of looking around and
seeing them what was the matter uh… i think that it was uh… it was very
simple mum on sir um… to the boys were cameras are
didn’t think that we get produced a record which was right for the american
market but i don’t think i think this into an awful lot of american pop music and what was currently popular
then but i want to hold your hand which was just about to be answered walls the
right one plus the fact this an awful lot of information had filtered through from the british
press from the royal command the palladium the
scenes in london on beatlemania as call in general uh… there was great interests abet
stage it was just the right moment the issue purple i wanna hold her hand timing seems to come into the summer
earned was determined can tripped assad such a success because it was
perfectly terminal park are things that helped tremendously uh… are didn’t impart couldn’t possibly say it was
lifetime of that because i knew it would be exactly right but it it it was right as it happens that ed sullivan berserk over at that
particular moment please do it sort of interest could not have been more right the
records would just at the top had been at the top of that week most of the top and fit in very well indeed will eventually stopped snowing again
timing may have come into this to making the film yes but the conscious deliberate decision
will help other people persuaded isn’t it well we’ve had film off is obviously
since the boys first started to have big say a prayer um… a lot of them we didn’t like and i would did start to get tub because
obviously feldman’s when important laughing because and that include the
thing which really started off this film i think the idea howland island uh… because the people who make a member of
the since i was i i thought this is an expert much much
protein missed them bingo involved in producing this
wonderful slightly s uh… and and and and what kind of
project pasteur dot technip upon myself to produce during the pittsburgh
expelled timid about going into new areas highly
technical areas like this was a great deal of knowledge or experience but merely because one study is quite a
lot from come outside his point of view not
relent starts to manage the beatles and
builders revenues principle how long looking further ahead in the future is
going to be before muscle of noise be beatles make is out of fashion it does seem to me that gender
business-like sort of change even now uh… in general trend but i don’t they seek to believe interns
and pull user content and what sort of black got to do with standard of moses sound or the pizza or
anything like that what are these slight signs of the
change that to detect and cotton shipment our fingers but that the heavy uh… beat pounder he’s lessening the popularity of it and
i think that mister of those uh… i’m more social sort of sound coming which is a problem nice i think which are good uh… could harmonic to
muscled examples r_r_ or discontinue border that are having to
do arts fair such hopped fragrance from from what i think it’s that coming sound for the next humans who have been a core group
picture when those it sounds this phrase i
gather you don’t like uh… was of course corn presumably
newspaperman because of the crockpot of groups coming from the cool
it down and i found a protector here uh… it the liverpool adio seem to get the
movement some sort of strength but you yourself of no just moved on to london’s
in his innocence i’ve moved with great reluctance victory because i like the reporter likes people
obviously uh… pulled into the city her quite a
lot patel walls but it was becoming almost
impossible to organize uh… my own life uh… didn’t do the best tatar code for
the rafters um… moving between portland and so much has
to be done the artists uh… performance offering them to make
that records in london and tom so forth uh… i suppose that one was forced into it or
not terribly unhappy about it uh… it’s
it’s said in a way it’s but it doesn’t really mean that we think any
less of the before we want to be less than the roof of my home is a beautiful
and uh… i intend to return the as much as i can but it may even if it list talent spotting ability of the ocean let me get a feel taken right out of his little clinton
less so many groups all just beginning yes this is something that looks like it
worries me because uh… i used to be around for rooms and
clouds pretty much more than i am now because
simply involved in every business conferences
or time i hope harsh which are very consciously to avoid being away from a cold because
that’s the part of the business which i enjoy i’d much rather goto
ballroom of what groups and during an evening them uh… says having a heavy demand
distressing for which probably won’t come off anyway this mismanaging bit managing office
would his amendment should do for the artist let’s assume the beatles fulbright boys
want bonus code yes why couldn’t they cope with the sort
of things themselves well they wouldn’t they bothered to do so anyway as they
are present but do you mean as it has now does not
do you mean is that what’s gonna happen as well let’s take those two separate
things from two-and-a-half years ago quebec and
got themselves tube where there are no without no i
don’t think i was appalled at work they were playing around the camps
liverpool and having great fun but i don’t think that they would have problems to do
anything about it and they may not have done it in the right way yelling inexperienced people from a business point of view are
not really very good presenting themselves properly in the
right quarters so also one advised them uh… a lot of things you look after
their business affairs but the degree management will work for you could do on
our kids to a certain extent depends upon i would
say on the personal relationship between manager how do quite a with a great deal for all of them that this is because there’s a strong
sort of personal link but now then let’s consider the beatles
as they are not the position though no do they really need a man until fall
future development i would say they made a manager moral now than ever because the seo much work involved in wash we called the management one
could say the organization of the people’s but they couldn’t
possibly curriculums do they need you was a manager while they got to stage now what anybody
could manage them when you the technical side i don’t think that anybody could merge
them because i don’t think vehicles with would be managed or anyone else hazardous personally of russia for
saying that actually but uh… i i think the texture do get much of the spectrum from the
sense of power uh… running this organisation make it no i don’t feel it circular because are well rush critical business needs sort of controlling human beings is a powerful
thing but i don’t think of it as such are trying hard to under an indian tribe
dr justin r_u_ in your own opinion a particularly
good businessmen as a businessman uh… i’ve got a business background and uh… probably a reasonable business period removed from you sort of genius well-heeled defects and while chill
uh… better than you know that i think you
know i’m probly sort of too conscious of idea this
trough of them uh… finance behind ideas do you think the rhonda episode on the
settled a little form pilla business now i think it hasn’t been a good thing
for the no i didn’t actually like being a student uh… was it it was a very good thing won’t mean to
correct it was quite interesting is much better off we thought that unrealized about acting rhonda about six months afternoon after we’re going to go to selected not at the time i’d like to think that i met them as it left you with a uh… distaste for
all of the real tasteful filter current extra fat realtor the experiments are would uh… would liked so much to produce harassment acting sharon okay stricter will sort of place and possibly some by check off our modern straight drama also dramatist uh… possible everyone knows about you’ve come in to this business from most unusual
surroundings and circumstances a stripped down an enormous number of things that
happened to you and the people you working with in the last two and a half years computers each a different sort of live from the one
you need to know no certainly not uh… i’d like but i’m doing in the thai in in the car look forward with pleasure to films and presenting shows and possibly catching to flee midget side but this is
certainly a part of the work that i like best another back to the family business adventure

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