Social Security Legislation Rewrite Bill – Committee Stage – Part 4 – Video 3

Social Security Legislation Rewrite Bill – Committee Stage – Part 4 – Video 3


the vehicle changes would be made and I will just end it at that you very much met him cheer it’s pleasure to be able to take a quick call on the social security rewrite bill and I’ve got a few questions that I would like to ask in regards to part four but firstly I just thought that crisp ink made an excellent contribution in relation to his SOP and I was a little bit uncertain around what the minister means by policy neutral because his some his SOP is an excellent one and it is policy neutral and earlier on this afternoon I heard the minister complaining about SOPs not being policy neutral and now we get one which is policy neutral but it’s so policy neutral that it’s not a good one so I think the house would benefit from some some description is what the minister determines to be policy neutral and what the minister doesn’t determine to be policy neutral because I think there’s a bit of confusion being given by the minister and you know we’ve we’ve got a number of SOPs and these relates to the bill very clearly trying to improve it trying to make it better and we want to ensure this legislation is put through in the best possible form as any good opposition would want to do so having a definition of what policy neutral means would would help us and assist us in this debate as it continues and I’m sure it will continue for quite some time but madam chair I have a couple of questions and my questions relate to clauses 203 and 203 a and so these clauses relate to benefits not being payable while a beneficiary is absent from New Zealand and rightfully so there are some exceptions to this rule those exceptions relates to those who are receiving New Zealand superannuation veterans support in any reciprocal agreement with another country so there’s there’s a number of exceptions to that rule and in a new section has been added in 203 a which relates to the winter energy payment and there’s a few questions that I’d like to ask for fish my first question is whether that’s a policy neutral change which has been made by the government because that’s a big debate it’s a big debate the policy the the policy behind the winter energy payment the minister has made it very clear that this bill is not about changing policy its policy neutral however that was a budgetary measure which was put through the opposition opposed it it was an election promise there’s a lot of debate over whether it should be I mean we had questions and question time over this issue so to have something which is being questioned about in question time by the opposition and need to argue that its policy neutral is as something which I think’s a little bit of a stretch and I like the minister to clarify whether the section is policy neutral and if so why it is policy neutral the second the second well you’ve got very weird policies on the other side of the house don’t you mr. Greg O’Connor so the next question is I’d like to ask around why the decision was made to for it to be four weeks during the winter period four so if someone’s receive eligible and receiving it and of course is the opt-out clause here as well but if someone’s receiving it and they leave the country for four weeks then they become non eligible so why was the decision made for four weeks and I guess that flows on to my second question which is how is that measured and I think you know as there is there a registrar for registering that you’re going to be overseas is that information picked up by customs I’d find it helpful if the minister could purify how that information is collected and how they how the ministry or the department I think it’s the the chief executive has to be satisfied in clause 203 a to be the chief executive is satisfied that one or more admin sirs do not affect the beneficiary’s eligibility for the payment under Section 65 C so I’d appreciate some guidance from the minister how the the chief executive is satisfied in relation to the winter energy payment so that they know that that person’s been away for four weeks so there’s a number of questions around but basically it’s process for the for the information in relation to to the winter energy payment and I guess what measures at what measures are in place to ensure what measures are in place to ensure that the that the payment has been stopped so does that automatically happen because I understand you don’t automatically opt out you have to physically opt out it’s not an opt-in scheme it’s not doubt scheme so as someone warned are they given a letter to say that they’re no longer going to receive that payment from a particular time so there’s a number of questions around how does that then affect their benefit is that automatically cut what’s the measure thank you very much I’ll just be very quickly speaking to some of the factors I look

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